Gun laws are very very strict. You can only have a gun/pistol/riffle with special permits and only if you are something like a hunting person (you need to do tests). And even if you have one you are in no way allowed to shoot in such a situation. only if the person attacks you yourself !
The police does not take it too seriously as an animal is the same as a car, a bike or someting like that for the law.
If I couldn’t find something to take that piece of shi* out I would seriously hire someone to track that thing down, no questions asked. I don’t think I could help myself nor could I stand the thought that it may strike again.
And why the authorities would not be concerned is beyond me considering all serial killers start with doing stuff like this.
So very very sorry, Gwen. I wish I knew of a way to stop this! I would love to catch the guy(s) myself!
Betcha he is bragging somewhere in social media.
How do farmers euthanize a horse that breaks a leg if you are not allowed to have a gun?
I’m so very sorry for you Gwen, and for your poor horses.
I don’t have the words to describe how horrified,sad, and sickened I am.
Ahh… man… this is just heart wrenching… Don’t breeders have a hard enough time as it is, now we have to add crazy psychopathic killers into the mix. 
Oh holy crap. I’m so sorry Gwen. That’s just awful.
Could Gwen contact a local schutzhund club and offer -I don’t know, a place to train? campout overnight?
Surely there are those with already trained dogs who might like to help out and stop such savagery.
Is there a local Belgian Malinois or Rottweiler club?
A Bloodhound trainer? -Wait, probably far to dangerous to trail with such gentle dogs.
If you can’t use guns, find someone with a good, trained dog and pay for their help. Even as a deterrent.
Few will seriously go up against a trained dog.
Terribly sorry for your loss.
I am just horrified, as we all are. I cannot quite believe anyone can be so cruel or evil. I should think the number of foals murdered and the way they were left would be enough to alert authorities to a depraved being among them. It’s frightening. I honestly hope he meets a deadly end ASAP. Regardless of the laws, I’d have to risk the consequences and shoot him. Who’s to say he isn’t a threat to anyone? I pray to God he meets a horrible demise very soon. God bless you, Gwen – I’m sure you are going through a nightmare we cannot imagine. I hope it’s over for you as far as losses.
PennyG
I’m sick to my stomach and I can’t believe the police isn’t taking this serious. If they don’t care about the animal that’s one thing, but all the signs of escalation are there and this obviously isn’t an isolated incident since Gwen lost 2 other foals in such a horrible manner. My heart goes out to Gwen! 
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How do farmers euthanize a horse that breaks a leg if you are not allowed to have a gun?[/QUOTE]
Most farmers in Germany have hunting permits and rifles!
Seriously, whoever puts this thing down would not have much legal consequence to suffer as it would likely be considered a crime of passion with an outcry from the public. I would risk whatever consequences just to prevent it from happening again. Unfortunately, he/she/it could belong to a group of fellow evil believers, so it may turn into a mass effort to wipe out the entire infestation.
Has anyone heard what’s being done, if anything, by the law in that country? Does anyone else live in the area? What’s being done to protect horses?
That Russian dog someone posted the URL for sounds like an excellent option, however, I imagine one would have to get one of these as a pup as they probably do not transfer homes/territory easily. They sound wild to me!
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I’m sick to my stomach and I can’t believe the police isn’t taking this serious. If they don’t care about the animal that’s one thing, but all the signs of escalation are there and this obviously isn’t an isolated incident since Gwen lost 2 other foals in such a horrible manner. My heart goes out to Gwen! :([/QUOTE]
Maybe I watch too much TV, but it seems to me that in the US the behavioral sciences units would be all over something like this. The violent nature and repetition are truly alarming. As another poster stated, this is how serial killers get started!
From another angle, I would think her insurance company would be going nuts over this! Why aren’t they hiring an investigator? I would think they would want to protect their assets in a situation like this where clearly she is at risk for additional loss. Or is this only how things work in the US, also?
I think SSS could apply here. I doubt anybody would miss the piece of garbage that is doing this.
This kind of thing is always in the back of my mind. I live on a highway with my pasture in full view. I turn my three minis out there and they always attract attention, people pulling over to look, taking pictures. But I can’t get rid of that nagging feeling that what if one of those people is some kind of psycho whacko that comes back in the night and hurts one of my boys. And my minis are so friendly, they would walk right up to someone expecting pets and treats. I never leave anyone out in the pasture overnight, but they could still come up to the barn.
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I think SSS could apply here. I doubt anybody would miss the piece of garbage that is doing this.
This kind of thing is always in the back of my mind. I live on a highway with my pasture in full view. I turn my three minis out there and they always attract attention, people pulling over to look, taking pictures. But I can’t get rid of that nagging feeling that what if one of those people is some kind of psycho whacko that comes back in the night and hurts one of my boys. And my minis are so friendly, they would walk right up to someone expecting pets and treats. I never leave anyone out in the pasture overnight, but they could still come up to the barn.[/QUOTE]
I’m (seems like eternally, at this point) farm shopping and I think the same kind of thing when I look at a place with lots of road frontage. But then I wonder if you would be better there because someone would likely drive by and wonder what was going on, or notice a car pulled over, etc.?
Anyway, I agree that the police should take this seriously–I’ve read the same thing about serial killers starting with animals and escalating from there.
The loss of animal life is horrible, but I keep thinking about human safety reading some of the ideas thrown out (not that I don’t agree with the heart of the ideas). I hope the people on the farm stay safe and use extreme caution as well!
the whole thing is just horrible…and the other posters are sadly probably right. Someone sick enough to do this is probably capable of other atrocoties as well…
what about a bean bag gun that bounty hunters use here? It will hurt but not kill someone…
Originally Posted by Oakstable
How do farmers euthanize a horse that breaks a leg if you are not allowed to have a gun?
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Most farmers in Germany have hunting permits and rifles![/QUOTE]
Even though, they are not really allowed to shot a horse or a cow etc. ! You have to get the vet out and have the animal killed (normally they do it with a bolt). And because it is much smaller here the vets can be there pretty fast.
The USA has a gun happy culture. We don’t have a gun, but my brother does. He lives in a small town in WI.
I think if there is justification to be armed, like in Gwen’s situation, that it should be allowed for her to get a permit.
Unfortunately, public outcry is not going to help someone who would be up for first degree murder charges. :no: It’s not considered a crime of passion (temporary insanity) if it is premeditated. If, for example, the owner was to catch the person in the act the first time this happened and did something they would later regret…it could be potentially be considered temporary insanity.
To be honest, I’m surprised at the number of people who have stated they’d shoot them spot on. Hopefully emotions are just running high. So many other consequences come with killing another human being…whether they are not worth being on this earth or not. The best thing to do would be to bang down the doors of the authorities until someone listens.
Incidents like this happen everywhere, just not in Germany…we just rarely hear about them. I lost two horses, brutally, in a similar situation almost 10 years ago, but it never made the papers and I rarely talk about it as it was very traumatic. While I fantasized about hurting the individual dearly, I certainly wouldn’t have risked going to prison for the rest of my life over it. We contacted a local search and rescue team to help out.
My heart goes out to Gwen. It is not something I would wish on my worst enemy.
It was the worst time in my life, never ever had I seen such before. I would not even think about going out there alone with a gun and get myself maybe a stick through from such a crazy person. My son works for a big media guru but I would rather not want it in the magazines all over as that could attract other crazy people and have them go the same way and that would be more horrible. The bad thing is that such psychos never get caught. I do not leave me mares and foals outside in the night now so nothing more can happen…hopefully.
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