GSP with osteosarcoma--update 8/27. He's gone :(

Thanks everyone, for checking back in. It’s so nice to know my guy’s not been forgotten, and hopefully the things we learn from one another’s experiences will help others down the road.

I emailed my vet as soon as I read about the splint, and sent him links to a few websites featuring them. In his opinion, they, like the back braces people used to wear, ultimately do more harm than good because they allow the muscles to atrophy (and can’t support the shoulder anyway). He’s also a veterinary acupuncturist, but doesn’t travel. I’ve considered asking the vet to come out and treat him in the parking lot, but… So far, my dog is still plenty perky-- to the point where he scared the cr__ out of me yesterday tearing after a German Wirehair that had come to play in our beaver dam:( Yes, the problem/biggest fear, is that the bone will break because he goes to do something “very normal and mundane”-- which for him means zipping around, rolling in the grass, leaping in the air after anything I toss, and going bananas when other dogs invade our farm. Things we mere humans can only wonder at-- like the power of horses. I’ve got ramps all over the place which he does remember to use to prevent the pain of landing from a jump from the furniture or car, but outdoors, it can very suddenly be a different story, and that’s where the choice got hard for me. After a few days of keeping him on a leash, I made the decision to let him enjoy considerable freedom-- he’s off leash, wearing an electric collar to bring him back ASAP if he darts off as he did yesterday. My heart was in my throat until I had him back and could see the leg had not snapped, but I am still resolved to make sure he does enjoy his last days (and I sure hope there will be many!) feeling free, not imprisoned.

Please don’t worry, RaeHughes-- I’m downright phobic when it comes to putting any animal, let alone my heart dog, through needless suffering. That’s why I chose not to amputate although I did put one of my horses through 2 colic surgeries: no one can tell me that amputation is not excruciating or that it is even likely to cure the cancer, which has almost certainly metastasized anyway. My mare only had a 15% chance of surviving her 2nd surgery, but if she did (and she did!!), she could return to life as a normal, healthy horse-- which she did for 6 years. Even with amputation, my dog would remain cancerous, with one year being a relatively optimistic prognosis. I will put him down long before I see him suffering anything resembling the pain I know comes with major surgery.

Monday, a friend lost her big (123#) dog to osteosarcoma. The week before (about 2 weeks after his diagnosis), he’d proudly caught a rabbit. Days later, the leg swelled enormously, apparently broken: my worse case scenario, about which I’ve asked the vets repeatedly: how to control the pain until someone can get here to euthanize? Can I do it myself? I was relieved to find out that by doubling up on the pain meds and icing, my friend was able to maintain her dog’s appetite for food, company, life itself, to the end, when she put him down because, much as he wanted to, he could no longer get up. Painful as this disease is, this ending does not seem much different from that of my 15 year old lab whose hind legs eventually gave out on him.

Meantime, I do see no harm in trying alternative therapies (forgot to mention homeopathy, too-- and my chiropractor gave me the name of a really good dog masseuse who will travel). After all, my dog seems to like them, too-- Artemisinin in cream cheese, cell salts rubbed into his gums, twice daily bathing of his mouth with the homeopathic remedies. He’s basking in all these novel attentions :slight_smile:

So far, so good. One day at a time. Doggie just got up and wants to go outside.

Maybe I should put pictures on my website.

Thats too bad your vet feels that way about the splint. I agree, In most cases they do more harm than good. But when you are looking at “short term”, I think they can be wonderful in preventing that “snap” at the lytic site when your dog is running around.

But, everyone has their own opinions and no one is judging. I just truly wish you and your pup the best :slight_smile: Hugs and take care, sounds like he is very loved.

Oh and regarding if a break does happen - keep tramadol in stock. Im not sure if a vet would prescribe you an injectable narcotic “just incase”…not sure of the laws in your area. Tramadol has excellent analgesia effects, but being oral it does take a little bit of time to kick in. Hopefully you wont have to experience a bad break. Ive known hundreds of osteosarc dogs who just experience small fractures that are not nearly as painful.

Oral morphine if you vet will prescribe … I have used this for severe pain in dogs and have seen good results. Human cancer patients use morphine for pain. Tramadol is good for milder pain and does not sedate as much as morphine but if it is an end of life comfort morphine would be my choice.

Thanks for the continued help. I have plenty of Tramadol, and was glad to hear that it, in combination with ice, seemed effective for my friend’s very big dog which was put down due to osteosarcoma recently. They say he was still eating well, wagging his tail, etc., to the end, and euthanized because he couldn’t get up any more.

Morphine as a back up sounds like a good idea, though. My horse vet, who’s already told me she’d come to put him down here at home, is coming tomorrow for spring vaccinations, so I (and my dog) can talk to her about it.

Meantime, glad to report (knock on wood) that my dog continues to do well.

Excellent, great news, glad to hear, thanks for the update!! Hope your vet can help…PM me if not.

Happy to hear both of you are doing okay. Jackie

Tomorrow will be a full 2 months since my GSP’s diagnosis, and (knock on wood), the news is good: no changes. My boy is still lame on the left front, which has an obvious knot, but still uses it, and is full of appetite, energy and all else good and himself.

I don’t know what parts of the kitchen sink that are doing the trick , but want to thank the person who recommended the Artemisinin, which he’s been getting twice daily-- along with Chinese mushrooms, homeopathic remedies, energy work, home cooked meals, fish oil, turmeric, garlic…

Especially with the recent dogfood recalls, I wonder if I might have spared him the cancer if I’d cooked for him like this from day 1.

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Tomorrow will be a full 2 months since my GSP’s diagnosis, and (knock on wood), the news is good: no changes. My boy is still lame on the left front, which has an obvious knot, but still uses it, and is full of appetite, energy and all else good and himself.

I don’t know what parts of the kitchen sink that are doing the trick , but want to thank the person who recommended the Artemisinin, which he’s been getting twice daily-- along with Chinese mushrooms, homeopathic remedies, energy work, home cooked meals, fish oil, turmeric, garlic…

Especially with the recent dogfood recalls, I wonder if I might have spared him the cancer if I’d cooked for him like this from day 1.[/QUOTE]

Since you are trying herbal treatments as well you might want to try putting him on Arnica you can get it in tablet and cream . It is what provides pain relief in Sore No More horse liniment.
Use the cream sparingly like after exercise or when you notice more discomfort then average. Used the cream when I rolled an ankle helped a ton.
http://www.allpetnaturals.net/how-to-use-arnica-cream-for-pets/

Glad to hear that he’s still feeling good.

glad to hear it has not progressed any further

Good Update ~~~ Jingles & AO continue ~~~

Nice to read your update ```

Jingles & AO continue ~

So glad to hear the happy update!! Maybe your dog will beat the odds and live a long happy life. Jackie

Thanks for the good wishes and jingles. Arnica is, BTW, part of the arsenal-- but didn’t know about the tablet and cream-- have been using massage oil, though very sparingly because he licks it. Will try the link and products.

Pain front is part of the good news, though (always knock on wood): he’s been holding steady with pain meds (tramadol) cut in half, and continuing to go down. Yesterday, the tumor actually felt as cool as the other leg before icing. It’s warm again this a.m., though-- will be iced again in a few minutes.

Nothing like a diagnosis like this to remind that life happens one moment at a time.

Meantime, I do hope that at 12 years old, my beloved doggie’s life can already be justifiably considered long and happy-- though I’d really like to see him reach 16 or more!

GSP with osteosarcoma-- update 5/23/2012 (still good!)

3 months, still no changes-- except that the Tramadol is down to 1/3 of what it origninally was :D!!

Absolutely incredible! I was almost afraid to read the update.

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I SOOO know how you feel-- will have to edit my title :slight_smile:

Thats great!!! Im sooo happy for you and your dog!

Fanastic!!! Knowing what I know after my ordeal with Ambush, I’m afraid to ask how things are going when you don’t write. Hope he does make the 16 yr. mark!!! Jackie

So happy for you both!! Great news, thanks for sharing.

So glad to have good news to share!! It’s really making me wonder about lots of stuff, though-- ranging from the ways we usually feed our dogs (watching the dogfood recall threads…) to wondering why “alternative” approaches to treating disease aren’t more mainstream. My vet is certified “holistic,” with training in everything from Chinese medicine and herbs to chiropractics, but still the first and only approach he discussed at diagnosis was the conventional one: amputation + chemo. I had to turn that down flat-- and then ask about the alternatives before the arsenal I’ve been using gradually came out. I was so frightened, and am now so incredibly relieved that I seem to have made the right choice for my beloved dog.
One day at time-- it’s just so good to have him hanging around with me.