Hanoverian Verden Auction prices. Why is it so cheap to buy a warmblood in Europe?

[TSWJB]

[QUOTE=showidaho;8147220]
:lol::lol::lol:

Seriously, OP…you can call about flying a horse to the US…if someone is getting (a gelding - mares and stallions are more) from Europe through quarantine in NY for less than $7500 I would like to know who that is. I mean…seriously…that’s how much it costs just to ship one and pick it up from quarantine. I just did it last year and that’s the best price I could get through a legit horse flight company. This price doesn’t include the purchase price, vetting, commission, etc. Please share who is doing it cheaper.[/QUOTE]
I have no idea who she is using. This is the price she told me. I don’t think she is getting the horse vetted because she bought it at an auction and I believe it includes quarantine.
I still think at prices like 6,7,8,to 10K Euro its worth paying shipping. It seems like North America cannot compete with the number of nice horses and the price of these nice horses. I went shopping in 2007 and a big breeder in London Ontario basically had tons of horses for me to look at but they were all priced at 23k and up with the 23k being the 3 year olds. they were not jumping like the horses in this auction that I viewed. but I still am wondering if there really is a catch!

[TSWJB]

[QUOTE=vandenbrink;8148253]
I remember you TSWJB. I can’t believe it’s been 8 years already. I remember your crazy road trip. Glad it was worthwhile.[/QUOTE]
yeah that trip was crazy! but I was determined to get a horse! and I rented a car which was supposed to be a Nissan sentra and they gave me a candy apple red mustang convertible which was bad on gas! and it started snowing! OMG mustangs are not good in snow! but I got the horse I wanted and I still have him. He is a keeper! I was looking on sites that I had looked at before in 2007 and I didn’t see that many good horses for sale. I don’t need a horse right now, but all my friends horses are going lame with serious problems so I wanted to see what my options would be…

[IPEsq]

I think the catch is the auction horses aren’t necessarily jumping around like that on a regular basis either.

[TSWJB]

[QUOTE=TSWJB;8148596]
I have no idea who she is using. This is the price she told me. I don’t think she is getting the horse vetted because she bought it at an auction and I believe it includes quarantine.
I still think at prices like 6,7,8,to 10K Euro its worth paying shipping. It seems like North America cannot compete with the number of nice horses and the price of these nice horses. I went shopping in 2007 and a big breeder in London Ontario basically had tons of horses for me to look at but they were all priced at 23k and up with the 23k being the 3 year olds. they were not jumping like the horses in this auction that I viewed. but I still am wondering if there really is a catch![/QUOTE]

@IPEsq;8148854

I think the catch is the auction horses aren’t necessarily jumping around like that on a regular basis either.

Well how do they do it at the auction? What is the prep? It seems like the perfect deal to get a lovely horse this cheap. But something is backing me off from this idea!

[TSWJB]

[QUOTE=IPEsq;8148854]
I think the catch is the auction horses aren’t necessarily jumping around like that on a regular basis either.[/QUOTE]

Well how do they do it at the auction? What is the prep? It seems like the perfect deal to get a lovely horse this cheap. But something is backing me off from this idea!

[IPEsq]

The riders are very good. At least from auction videos I have watched, steering and adjustability and lead changes etc. are all looking very hairy, and they only have to make it around a course of like 4 jumps. The ones that look interesting to me are the ones where the rider can let go for a half a second here or there and the horse naturally wants to pat the ground. Most of them look like the riders are really muscling them around, if you have a good eye for reading the rider, which I think is just as important as having a good eye for the horse.

[TSWJB]

Thanks for your reply. I see the riders butts glued to the saddle keeping those hind ends underneath the horse with soft hands but never allowing horse to waver between the shoot created by the hands. I do see sometimes the rider leaning behind the vertical. That tells me the horse is strong! Yes they look green!

[vali]

Part of lower costs is exchange rate is really good right now. I haven’t bought in Europe but I went shopping many years ago (2001) in New Zealand when I was looking for an Prelim level event horse. It was a great experience and I found a very nice horse, who is still in our family at the age of 23. I would only do it if you could ride the horse you were interested in, and preferably more than once. A horse that may look fabulous when ridden by a large male pro may not go well for an amateur.

[Mistysmom]

The horses are cheaper in Europe due to their costs of raising, training a showing etc. The exchange rate is also good now. Regarding shipping/importing… it is very easy to get a quote and you will see it is definitely not $7,500. That said, the horses are ridden differently because their training is dressage based which is very different from how most hunters are started over here. There are some farms though who ride/train more for the American market but their horses tend to be more in-line to the hunter market here though. Either way, it is still important to actually try the horse or have someone you know and trust to help you. Like anywhere, it is buyer beware…

[showidaho]

[QUOTE=Mistysmom;8149266]
The horses are cheaper in Europe due to their costs of raising, training a showing etc. The exchange rate is also good now. Regarding shipping/importing… it is very easy to get a quote and you will see it is definitely not $7,500. That said, the horses are ridden differently because their training is dressage based which is very different from how most hunters are started over here. There are some farms though who ride/train more for the American market but their horses tend to be more in-line to the hunter market here though. Either way, it is still important to actually try the horse or have someone you know and trust to help you. Like anywhere, it is buyer beware…[/QUOTE]

So I called today as I was curious…I called the two well-known horse transports and both quoted me the range of $7500 from Holland and $7000 from Germany for flight and quarantine delivered to NY.

[soloudinhere]

[QUOTE=showidaho;8149674]
So I called today as I was curious…I called the two well-known horse transports and both quoted me the range of $7500 from Holland and $7000 from Germany for flight and quarantine delivered to NY.[/QUOTE]

Including transport from sellers facility to airport and required vet paperwork/vaccinations?

It was my experience that these two items added not-inconsequential sums to this price.

As for buying a horse from an auction, amateur friendly is my primary criteria and my experience has simply been that buying from an auction is not compatible with that goal.

Then I discovered sport ponies and all was lost

[TSWJB]

[QUOTE=showidaho;8149674]
So I called today as I was curious…I called the two well-known horse transports and both quoted me the range of $7500 from Holland and $7000 from Germany for flight and quarantine delivered to NY.[/QUOTE]
So then my sister’s quote is spot on!

[TSWJB]

@soloudinhere;8149755

As for buying a horse from an auction, amateur friendly is my primary criteria and my experience has simply been that buying from an auction is not compatible with that goal.

this is what I am worried about! My sister’s horse looks lovely but I am surprised that she was so brave to buy a horse that she has never seen before. I am not sure that I am brave enough to do that!
when I was horseshopping, I found a bunch of horses in Manitoba. I viewed the video and I was absolutely sure I wanted one of the horses. So sure I was getting quotes for shipping and was going to buy him off the video. then a little voice inside of me said “don’t you dare! go try the horse!” getting to Manitoba was no picnic! flights were over 1k dollars. So I went to Minneapolis Minnesota. I even missed my plane trying to get there! drove 8 hours just outside of Winnipeg and tried the horses. I did not like riding them. and they were not as fancy with me on their backs! I went to 3 breeding farms. had the best adventure, but came back without a horse!

[Denzel]

Just out of curiosity, I went and looked at some of the videos, but could not find auction results for the May Verband auction anywhere. Help? I like watching the videos first and then seeing if my “assessments” are close.

[TSWJB]

It is hard to find. Just keep clicking on everything. the prices of all the horses with the videos

[EmJ628]

One horse’s experience: we have a horse in the barn who was imported several years ago, I think he was around 4-5 when imported. He is a sweet guy and well bred, has some lines that a couple current top hunters and show jumpers have come out of. I would rate myself a pretty decent amateur rider. Import horse was jumping around 4’ courses before he came to us- but let me tell you, he was a LOT of work to ride. He was muscled totally upside down and had some very funky conformation stuff going on. It just took a TON of seat, leg and hand to hold him together. He was a bit high strung, didn’t know what turnout was about, and didn’t have great ground manners. He didn’t ever look at jumps though and would hop on any trailer. He’s gotten WAY better but it’s taken about 2 years. He was never what I would call a pro ride, but there was definitely some work that had to be undone and we had to start from scratch in some areas to fill in training holes. For comparison, I also had a homebred horse that was about the same age and although it wasn’t jumping anywhere near that height, it was soft, carried itself in a frame, would take a joke about anything and just way more pleasant to ride. I am sure all imports are different and you can certainly find some NICE horses, but I highly doubt the European breeders are letting their best horses come over to the US!

[Dinah-do]

Google European horse transport. youtube. Pickup from sellers, deliver to Liege. paperwork etc etc . About 7K for a gelding. Germany to Calgary.

[Tiger_Paws]

[QUOTE=EmJ628;8150996]
I am sure all imports are different and you can certainly find some NICE horses, but I highly doubt the European breeders are letting their best horses come over to the US! ;)[/QUOTE]

That is some sort of urban legend.

European breeders are first and foremost in business. If you are willing to pay the price, they do not care what your passport says.

[Mistysmom]

Okay in that case, the price of $7,000 - $7,500 is very good if it includes all the charges! I’ve never used that company or know anyone that has. I recently imported a mare from Germany and the total cost, door to door was CDN $11,200 so about US$9,100 which was quite reasonable.

The best horses in Europe will cost a fortune and it’s well known that the sellers are open to anyone with the $$ to spend :-).

[Mardi]

[QUOTE=TSWJB;8146239]
Yes I am very picky about conformation and good feet. I don’t know how you could tell from the videos posted whether they have good feet and conformation. [/QUOTE]

If you truly know about conformation, then you can see it in a video.