Horrible rider position at mid-high levels

[soloudinhere]

The most effective way to change your attitude is to be able to recognize that the only way someone can make you feel anything is if you allow them to. It has nothing to do with dressage.

because I don’t spend my time crapping on people who are at a higher level than I am, I am much more able to ignore the muttering that may be happening about me. I take the time to get to know the people that I need/want to know and don’t waste my time worrying about other people. And I have no problem saying “there but for the grace of God go I” in response to gossip that is mean or vindictive.

What other people do just doesn’t affect me. When it affects me or my horse, then I engage. Until then? Not my circus, not my monkeys.

[alibi_18]

@Scribbler

Where you do need to be careful is in publicly criticizing local folks in a small pond. Not because you are wrong to see these things, but because it will get back to them. For instance, as soon as the show OP mentions posts on Equine Canada, if i care to, I will be able to figure out exactly who she means. I won’t know them personally. But I will be able to look at their websites, students show history, etc.

I’m sure there are members or at least guest lurkers here who are from the same area and could identify both the OP and the rider in question, indeed probably already have and are smiling a bit.

Way too small a pond.

Indeed. I think I found it.

And now I’ve just realized the OP compares her 69% earned at a schooling with a 57% in PSG earned at a Gold show.
@Chestnut Mare this isn’t the same game at all.

And if it’s the show I just looked up, I scribed for both judges before and know them well enough to tell you that they are hard to please, one in particular.

I’ll be scribing at a show in a few weeks which this particular rider might attend. I’ll see for myself what you are talking about, but so far, I know who she’s trained with in her Young rider days, and there really isn’t much to say.

This Board is small.
Like Scribbler said, better shut t f up.

[Manni01]

Wow extremly long thread already… I dont even get it how the OP has all the time analyse other riders… When I go to a show I hardly have time to watch anybody… Sometimes I feel bad about it, but I am busy with my horse. I always go by myself without a trainer so this is a fulltime job. And when i have time I think about how to ride my test… I would recommend this strategy to the OP as well… Focus on your own goals and give everything. Then you dont need to worry about others…

[alibi_18]

@Manni01

Wow extremly long thread already… I dont even get it how the OP has all the time analyse other riders… When I go to a show I hardly have time to watch anybody… Sometimes I feel bad about it, but I am busy with my horse. I always go by myself without a trainer so this is a fulltime job. And when i have time I think about how to ride my test… I would recommend this strategy to the OP as well… Focus on your own goals and give everything. Then you dont need to worry about others…

The OP was just auditing that day, not showing.

The OP does schooling show ( which I’m NOT saying isn’t good, just that the expectations/judges qualifications aren’t the same) and this show was a Gold show. Equivalent of your National ones.

[Denali6298]

@alibi_18

The OP was just auditing that day, not showing.

The OP does schooling show ( which I’m NOT saying isn’t good, just that the expectations/judges qualifications aren’t the same) and this show was a Gold show. Equivalent of your National ones.

I’m confused. So a Gold show in Canada is like a Rated show in the states? I thought this all happend at the same show that the OP quoted her scores from? Thats why I asked if she thought the judging was fair.

Then that leads me to the conclusion that the OP sat at the rail with her trainer talking smack all day? How is that a thing?

[BigMama1]

@alibi_18

Indeed. I think I found it.

And now I’ve just realized the OP compares her 69% earned at a schooling with a 57% in PSG earned at a Gold show.
@Chestnut Mare this isn’t the same game at all.

And if it’s the show I just looked up, I scribed for both judges before and know them well enough to tell you that they are hard to please, one in particular.

I’ll be scribing at a show in a few weeks which this particular rider might attend. I’ll see for myself what you are talking about, but so far, I know who she’s trained with in her Young rider days, and there really isn’t much to say.

This Board is small.
Like Scribbler said, better shut t f up.

Me too. Without even knowing anything about the rider’s history, how difficult the particular horse might be, or whether it’s the pair’s first year at FEI levels together, I can confidently say that although it’s porbably not the score the rider wanted, 57 at PSG from those particular judges is nothing to be ashamed of. Would that I could ride as “badly” as that! And neither of those judges would hesitate to call out abusive riding, so I suspect a wee bit of hyperbole may have crept in to the original post.

Again - posting negative comments directed at a specific person with identifying details online is a BAD idea.

[alibi_18]

@Denali6298

I’m confused. So a Gold show in Canada is like a Rated show in the states?

Yes. It is rated.
After Gold level, you have CDIs.

May be noted that the « big » show the OP attended wasn’t that big and there wasn’t much of the « good » riders you would normally see. This was a somewhat « low key » Gold show with few entries.
There was another Gold show happening at the same time and a CDI happened a few weeks prior.
This week is the NAYRC and all the Kids are there.
Quebec-Alberta team won Gold

I thought this all happend at the same show that the OP quoted her scores from? Thats why I asked if she thought the judging was fair.

Nope, the OP said :

I went to a local Gold show recently

and then :

The 69 was on my first schooling show.

So the OP does schooling shows.

[Denali6298]

@alibi_18 thank you for the clarification. I was totally confused.

At the end end of the day, it is in piss poor taste to criticize another rider if the ride isn’t abusive. If it’s a bad day, it’s a bad day. It’s horses. I’m happy when I don’t look like a monkey f***ing a football:D

[Scribbler]

@alibi_18

Yes. It is rated.
After Gold level, you have CDIs.

May be noted that the « big » show the OP attended wasn’t that big and there wasn’t much of the « good » riders you would normally see. This was a somewhat « low key » Gold show with few entries.
There was another Gold show happening at the same time and a CDI happened a few weeks prior.
This week is the NAYRC and all the Kids are there.
Quebec-Alberta team won Gold

Nope, the OP said :

and then :

So the OP does schooling shows.

So I think we each believe the OP lives in different provinces so maybe the researching isn’t so easy!

Yes, for the nonCanadians, Equine Canada sanctions 3 levels of recognized show. Gold accrues national points, Silver accrues provincial points, Bronze accrues no points. These should all get listed on Equine Canada results.

[BigMama1]

@Scribbler

So I think we each believe the OP lives in different provinces so maybe the researching isn’t so easy!

Yes, for the nonCanadians, Equine Canada sanctions 3 levels of recognized show. Gold accrues national points, Silver accrues provincial points, Bronze accrues no points. These should all get listed on Equine Canada results.

Bronze scores (equivalent to schooling show) do not get listed on the EC site, unless they have started doing so recently.

[alibi_18]

@BigMama1

Bronze scores (equivalent to schooling show) do not get listed on the EC site, unless they have started doing so recently.

Bronze shows are Regional shows and not what I would consider schooling shows. They are under EC rules and points are calculate with the Provincial association which lead to an Inter-Regional championship.

Scores are registered through the Provincial association.

A schooling show here would be a non-affiliated show.

[mvp]

@alibi_18

Indeed. I think I found it.

And now I’ve just realized the OP compares her 69% earned at a schooling with a 57% in PSG earned at a Gold show.
@Chestnut Mare this isn’t the same game at all.

And if it’s the show I just looked up, I scribed for both judges before and know them well enough to tell you that they are hard to please, one in particular.

I’ll be scribing at a show in a few weeks which this particular rider might attend. I’ll see for myself what you are talking about, but so far, I know who she’s trained with in her Young rider days, and there really isn’t much to say.

This Board is small.
Like Scribbler said, better shut t f up.

Now this is the kind of threat that can one make, but not a line I think we ought to cross on an anonymous bulletin board.

I think it’s below the belt and that we all live in the same glass house.

We ought to have a gentleman’s agreement among us to maintain anonymity because, apparently, we don’t have that by any other means.

Do you all agree, or should I stand warned and not post too many details about myself?

[alibi_18]

@mvp

Now this is the kind of threat that can one make, but not a line I think we ought to cross on an anonymous bulletin board.

I think it’s below the belt and that we all live in the same glass house.

We ought to have a gentleman’s agreement among us to maintain anonymity because, apparently, we don’t have that by any other means.

Do you all agree, or should I stand warned and not post too many details about myself?

Maybe I expressed myself wrong as I wasn’t going come back here to report anything.
As a scribe, it would be totally out of place, and as a person, totally out of character.
I don’t bitch about other people behind their back, I say it to their face.

One can share as much details as they want about themselves in public, as long as it doesn’t affect others.

And I couldn’t care less to know who the OP is or who s/he trains with.

[BigMama1]

@mvp

Now this is the kind of threat that can one make, but not a line I think we ought to cross on an anonymous bulletin board.

I think it’s below the belt and that we all live in the same glass house.

We ought to have a gentleman’s agreement among us to maintain anonymity because, apparently, we don’t have that by any other means.

Do you all agree, or should I stand warned and not post too many details about myself?

I didn’t read any threat, only that she would watch the rider at the show to see if the OP’s complains were warranted, but knowing who the rider trained with, doubts it.

[TMares]

@alibi_18

Maybe I expressed myself wrong as I wasn’t going come back here to report anything.
As a scribe, it would be totally out of place, and as a person, totally out of character.
I don’t bitch about other people behind their back, I say it to their face.

One can share as much details as they want about themselves in public, as long as it doesn’t affect others.

And I couldn’t care less to know who the OP is or who s/he trains with.

I think I love you. And maybe I missed it, but did MVP hold the OP accountable for this mess, or just the rest of us?

[Chestnut_Mare1]

Isn’t it interesting how some of you have no idea who I am and how I ride, yet you are making assumptions about what I was doing and saying while being a railbird watching this rider. I guess it is only fair since I’m being raked over the coals for questioning higher level riders that are cranking and spurring horses to get the job done.

I may not be as advanced in my riding and dressage career as most of you appear to be, but I’m not an idiot and can see when something does not look right.

Yes, I already said that I should not have posted this here and should have kept it to myself. Now MVP if you want to go digging into people’s private lives while snooping online do you not think you will be stooping to my level?

[ladyj79]

No one cares that you think a rider is bad, everyone cares that you started a thread on the internets about a particular rider being bad at a particular show because that’s nasty mean girl nonsense. Do better.

[ladyj79]

I cannot believe that understanding that this behaviour is in poor taste is that hard to comprehend, so much so that the OP continues to try to justify her choice.

[Chestnut_Mare1]

@ladyj79

No one cares that you think a rider is bad, everyone cares that you started a thread on the internets about a particular rider being bad at a particular show because that’s nasty mean girl nonsense. Do better.

Noted, thank you.

[Chestnut_Mare1]

I would like to apologize for this post. It was in bad taste and sportsmanship.

For those of you who had useful and educational information to share thank you for that.