Horses and Relationships

[QUOTE=Invested1;8228167]
Only problem with that is that so many of us have worked damn hard to get to where we are in the workforce in order to afford this hobby. :wink:

While being a full-time barn queen on one hand sounds awesome, on the other it sounds terrible! :lol:

That said, I think an ad like that would get PLENTY of responses!![/QUOTE]

Kidding aside, I’d probably bond better with a career woman with a similar passion for horses. People usually have more than one passion and career can be one of them. It is for me. I’m not going to give up practicing medicine and a woman who expects that can move along.

Sorry, OP, I’ll stop hijacking your thread. My point was that I expect my partner to respect my need to have horses in my life and I think you have a right to that same expectation.

[QUOTE=Bombproof;8228180]
Kidding aside, I’d probably bond better with a career woman with a similar passion for horses. People usually have more than one passion and career can be one of them. It is for me. I’m not going to give up practicing medicine and a woman who expects that can move along.[/QUOTE]

Now that ad, I’d respond to. :smiley:

[QUOTE=Bombproof;8228119]
Maybe I should take out an ad on horse forums:

“Woman wanted to be partner for kind, considerate man with good income. Ideal partner would be willing to be full-time barn queen to care for and ride quality horses. Must enjoy riding with partner. Must be comfortable with getting dirty. Ability to back a trailer a definite plus. Please send photo of self shoveling poop.” :lol:[/QUOTE]

As a newly single dressage queen
 Please tell me you live in the PNW and then tell me where I sign up! :lol:

But in all seriousness, I definitely agree with you that this problem is not gender specific. I actually know a few horsewomen, interestingly enough, who are very controlling about how their spouses/partners spend their time and money
 It’s something that really bothers me and has definitely hindered my friendships with them because I think it says something significant about who they are as people. My recent ex encountered this type of controlling attitude with his ex-wife as well and it was one of several reasons they split up. Ironically enough, the tables flipped with me and it was his resentment of my riding habit contributed greatly to our split. He was never as outright nasty about it as OP’s partner, but there was palpable disdain and a lack of even basic support. I’m not talking financial - I was the larger breadwinner and never asked for a dime toward my hobby
 But I’d come home from a show with an armful of ribbons and there was never even a “Good Job!” or “Did you have fun?”. It became very clear that we just weren’t compatible. Horses have been a part of my life since age 5 and they aren’t going anywhere. I finally decided that it wasn’t fair for him to live with someone he resented and it wasn’t fair for me to put up with being resented. There are no hard feelings, it just wasn’t the right match. I think Beam Me Up is right on - some people just aren’t cut out for a relationship with a horse person (or other highly involved/expensive hobby). There’s nothing wrong with that but behaving in a demeaning and controlling way in response is not ok.

While we may be saying that this relationship is a no-go, there are women who are so horsey, so one dimensional and so short of other interests and conversation, any man would have trouble being married to them. It works both ways in sharing a life together.

Horses are demanding, expensive and time-consuming. We have to adapt.
I feel fortunate in having a husband who does not ride, but likes the horse and respects that having her makes me more content.

Happy wife -happy life!

OP,
Horses have always been a part of your life, and it sounds to me that you have managed your horse involvement in a reasonable way (both time-wise and financially). There are absolutely situations where the horse passion exceeds the capacity to maintain it and a partner would be smart to object. But you did not describe weekends showing the A circuit while running up credit card bills beyond your means. Your fiance’s response to the horse issue seems very troubling in light of your explanation. I strongly agree with speaking to a counselor about this issue in your relationship.

As I am also single and dating again, it’s important to me that the man I establish a future with should understand that this is a lifelong sport I enjoy. In my online profile I mention riding as part of my life, and that having his own interest and passion is important to me. I also say that having shared interests is key. Assuming I am not lucky enough to meet a horseman, we could share travel, boating, fishing or diving. Sharing experiences together is essential, but so is individual fulfillment.

After reading this thread, who says all the good ones are taken? :cool:

The OP seems long gone, but maybe someone else can benefit from all this combined wisdom.

[QUOTE=Foxtrot’s;8228208]
While we may be saying that this relationship is a no-go, there are women who are so horsey, so one dimensional and so short of other interests and conversation, any man would have trouble being married to them. It works both ways in sharing a life together.

Horses are demanding, expensive and time-consuming. [/QUOTE]

yes! I agree 200%.

I don’t think anyone can be expected to be second fiddle all the time, it’s not fair. If you can’t plan, or don’t want to plan, any time for the SO then just don’t have a realtionship. Don’t use horses as an excuse to not engage.

its a give and take on both sides, not just the guys side (“suck it up, buddy, horse trumps you
”) how would that feel to be on the receiving end?

(OP seems to have more systemic issues, yes, but I get a little taken aback by what some people here expect guys to take).

the OP may be long gone but i hope she is just speechless from the replies she is getting, and has already decided to run, not walk the the EXit. Or gallops rather than trots.

Her SO sees no point in an animal he can’t eat.

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8228283]
yes! I agree 200%.

I don’t think anyone can be expected to be second fiddle all the time, it’s not fair. If you can’t plan, or don’t want to plan, any time for the SO then just don’t have a realtionship. Don’t use horses as an excuse to not engage.

its a give and take on both sides, not just the guys side (“suck it up, buddy, horse trumps you
”) how would that feel to be on the receiving end?

(OP seems to have more systemic issues, yes, but I get a little taken aback by what some people here expect guys to take).[/QUOTE]

Except I don’t think very many (if any) people have said that
 In fact, there have been numerous comments on the importance of compromise in a relationship. I don’t think anyone here thinks that horses should trump a healthy relationship with a spouse or partner
 But they probably should trump a dysfunctional relationship with a partner who shows controlling, potentially abusive tendencies and who’s idea of compromise is one-sided
 Because everyone deserves a relationship which has a foundation of love, mutual respect, and mutual happiness.

[QUOTE=RedmondDressage;8228335]
Except I don’t think very many (if any) people have said that
 In fact, there have been numerous comments on the importance of compromise in a relationship. I don’t think anyone here thinks that horses should trump a healthy relationship with a spouse or partner
 But they probably should trump a dysfunctional relationship with a partner who shows controlling, potentially abusive tendencies and who’s idea of compromise is one-sided
 Because everyone deserves a relationship which has a foundation of love, mutual respect, and mutual happiness.[/QUOTE]

its the tone, not just what was said


And this is a post about this topic in general, not just this thread. you can’t tell me that there isn’t a lot of this going on, right?

I just always wonder if we can see things from the guys POV, on this topic and other relationship threads.

As far as the guys point of view. Well that depends greatly on the guy. Some are more open, adventurous and fun than others.

[QUOTE=Hulk;8228395]
As far as the guys point of view. Well that depends greatly on the guy. Some are more open, adventurous and fun than others.[/QUOTE]

no really???

:slight_smile:

really!!!:lol:

[QUOTE=Bombproof;8228173]
That’s not a bad thing. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

Ha, yeah, I’ll bet! I have a surfer buddy who’s currently single, and is griping about how the women all want him to cut his time surfing - it definitely goes both ways in that sport - especially in Florida you kind of DO have to be ready to drop anything when the waves get good :). There is a joking reference on many surfing forums to a “kitchen pass” that guys get for doing chores, so yeah. But they don’t seem to be as apologetic about it - maybe when they buy a new board, but surfing can be expensive too - boards, vacations, etc.

Me, I would be happy with someone tolerant - my ex was the same way. Constantly griping about how much time I spent with the horses is how it started, but then it was my sister visiting. And my friends, and by the time he was done he had pretty much picked apart my whole world. Took me a while after the divorce to rebuild it


Other males commenting! Amazing.

My ex was a fairly new rider, wanna’ be dressage queen and made riding bad enough I almost gave it up. I had to “attend” and heard about it if I wanted to ride without her
I did 3-day, she was a wimp
truly hell to go riding with her but didn’t have an friends who rode, didn’t want any either
and didn’t need any since I was there. Hated my friends, hated that I shot guns and fox hunted
even disliked my lovely Saddlebred mare. After hearing crap and complaining about my mare wanting to go fast etc. etc. etc. and she wanted to do a slow ride when not ring riding like a true dressage queen
I decided to sell my mare and get something neat to play with while doing slower (sort’ve a horse version of an antique car). At the sale, I rode my mare, jumping and showing her stuff. I finally sat there and started tearing up. I got off my mare and the ex started bitching “You should have done this, why did you look so upset, good riddance to the mare”. People who didn’t know us were amazed at this cruel narcissist not even noticing I sold a horse I evidently loved. I only sold her to try and make the marriage work. I left the ex soon afterwards
a horrid self centred “fill in the blank”.

Of course, she was the victim and almost all of my female riding friends sided with her
sisterhood and all that BS
and they were my friends first, she didn’t care about them at all. Oh well. It’s not just men who are the buggers in relationships, or who are evil and self-centred. The woman isn’t always the victim of the evil/weak/threatened/selfish etc. male.

Well, I do totally agree with you about that - I see some of my friends relationships with women and wonder why they don’t prefer being single. It’s been good for me :). But really, either men OR women, while you do have to compromise in some things, there is a group of personality traits that pretty much tells the same story. And it’s not a happy one. I think so many people are chiming in on this thread because we recognize those symptoms.

For years my mom has said the man who I marry will be the one who understands he will always be the second love of my life.

A hard thing today is explaining a passion to people. Why do we wake up early on my days off to go ride yet not get paid? Why do we stand there in the boiling sun or freezing cold? Why do we get back on when we’ve been thrown? Why do we stand by their side through illness, injury – or worse? I try so hard to explain that it isn’t just a sport or a hobby, that just thinking about horses makes my heart swell. It’s a different kind of love and so so so few people will ever be so blessed to feel it.

[QUOTE=Trakehner;8228591]
Other males commenting! Amazing.

My ex was a fairly new rider, wanna’ be dressage queen and made riding bad enough I almost gave it up. I had to “attend” and heard about it if I wanted to ride without her
I did 3-day, she was a wimp
truly hell to go riding with her but didn’t have an friends who rode, didn’t want any either
and didn’t need any since I was there. Hated my friends, hated that I shot guns and fox hunted
even disliked my lovely Saddlebred mare. After hearing crap and complaining about my mare wanting to go fast etc. etc. etc. and she wanted to do a slow ride when not ring riding like a true dressage queen
I decided to sell my mare and get something neat to play with while doing slower (sort’ve a horse version of an antique car). At the sale, I rode my mare, jumping and showing her stuff. I finally sat there and started tearing up. I got off my mare and the ex started bitching “You should have done this, why did you look so upset, good riddance to the mare”. People who didn’t know us were amazed at this cruel narcissist not even noticing I sold a horse I evidently loved. I only sold her to try and make the marriage work. I left the ex soon afterwards
a horrid self centred “fill in the blank”.

Of course, she was the victim and almost all of my female riding friends sided with her
sisterhood and all that BS
and they were my friends first, she didn’t care about them at all. Oh well. It’s not just men who are the buggers in relationships, or who are evil and self-centred. The woman isn’t always the victim of the evil/weak/threatened/selfish etc. male.[/QUOTE]

Well damn
 I was thinking a horsey SO would solve the problem. You’re dashing my dreams here
 Perhaps single really is the way to go :lol:

And you’re also making me question the term DQ for myself
 I love doing my fancy prancing inside the little white fences but I also LOVE a good gallop and am no stranger to cross country fences, fox hunts, and even cows.

Sheesh, this thread is making me question everything I thought I knew
 The only thing I’m not questioning is the end of that relationship!

Okay, I feel badly. If the OP wanted ideas on how to manage her horses within the context of a relationship with this guy, who are we to do anything but give her ideas? So, OP, if you would indeed like to be married to this guy, and keep horses in your life, this is what I would envision (and it’s not particularly “fair.” But, if it would work for you and your fella, that’s what matters).

So, you would not, as a matter of habit, bring up the horses or their hay or their vet bills (which you’ll likely be paying out of your own money, to keep the peace) in conversation, as his hearing about them might open up the criticism box. You would squeeze the majority of your horse time into those hours when you were either not at work or not expected to be home or doing something with the fella.

You would have to sit down with fella and discuss what he felt he could accommodate for how much time you spent with the horses. You would have to explain to him that you didn’t want to hear criticism of one of your passions, and ask him if he is able to contain his criticism under the “If you have nothing nice to say
” rule. You would tell him that you are supportive of his passions, and you would ask him if he could be supportive of your spending x evenings or mornings per week with the horses, with the understanding that there would be the occasional need for more time, for illnesses, etc. You would have to negotiate how to “make up” for the horse time. Hopefully he would be willing and able to articulate an answer, and stick to it over the next few years, but, the fact is that you might never get a real answer out of him.

Then, on the days when you did spend time with the horses, you could likely have to do the equivalent of another part-time job making sure that fella did not feel like he was “second best” to the horses. This could very well entail making him a hot dinner and following up with a B.J. or other action aimed at restoring his sense of being important, at the end of every “horse day.” If a horse gets sick, it may very well be that fella will make you feel badly about spending extra time with the horse, so you may want to be prepared with a surprise for him “for being so nice about when Dobbin was sick” of tickets to whatever he likes, etc.

Be aware that unless something major is revealed by him in your heart to heart conversation with him about spending time with the horses, the tension over the horses will never go away, and there will be no “getting easier.” The tension over the horses will become one of the main identifiers of your marriage.

And you will hear VERY often about his feelings regarding your horses. He will likely convey his disapproval to your mutual friends and family, often at dinners or other events where you may feel you can’t jump in and defend yourself and remind him of what he agreed to regarding horse time. His public criticism will be something you will just need to learn to let slide off you with a wave and a shrug and an eye roll to your (probably embarrassed) friends.

Finally, my dear
 understand that his behavior probably is not about the horses. They’re just an easy target. There is likely something else going on that keeps him continuing to set you up as being “less than” he is. You may find, as time goes on, that the horses were just the beginning, and daily dinnertime, including in front of any children, will include him telling you what you should have done better. It may be that the horses – in other words, you – get blamed for everything from his having a bad day at work to either of you gaining weight or the children being cranky, etc.

It may be that despite your twisting yourself into someone who meets with his definition of a good partner, he still is not happy with you and in 10 years you find yourself divorced, with young children, being a single parent, but with your sources of emotional support (friends and hobbies and horizons) perhaps very altered because you had to change them over the years in order to get along peacefully with this particular partner.

At best, if you marry this individual, you can expect years more of the same as you get from him now. At worst, he would become ever more critical, and you would end up constantly trying to change yourself to make him happy.

Only you can decide if he is worth it. To me, it sounds like he would make your life smaller and duller, when I would like to think that marriage should make life “larger” and more “Technicolor.”

Wishing you happiness, whatever path you choose regarding the future.