Hotblood x Coldblood = Warmblood?

[Celtic_Witch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bits and Pieces:
CW,

In what capacity do you work with the KWPN ?

Yours in sport,

Lynn

Founder of the Pinto Warmblood Clique<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the capacity that we work with them. 98% of our horses are KWPN. All of our stallions are KWPN registered and AES approved. If we breed a mare to a stallion on the Continent, we use KWPN approved stallions. We have questions, they have answers which are always quick and to the point. Our UK yard is also helping to start a UK/WPN with the immense help and guidance of the KWPN. How else would we work with them?

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Two Toofs:
quote:

Originally posted by Celtic Witch:
Irish Draughts are working types but an Irish breeder would not appreciate their being called a draft horse!

In other words, don’t call their draught a draft?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pretty much. Very confusing when I went over to Ireland to try some ISH’s and made the enormous mistake of calling them Draft crosses. I have never seen an Irishman start to resemble a beet so quickly! I learned very fast that an Irish Draught was a very old breed, but not to be likened to a Clydesdale et al. And they really do bare no resemblence, but I thought that since they had Draught in their name…

[CuriousGeorge]

Yup, my new goal is to breed zorses for the highest levels of dressage, combined training, and jumpers and to be in the Olympics.

All zorses will be left au naturel, not even halter broken, until they are at least 4 years old, because they are of such incredible old bloodlines that they need to be preserved.

Hitch, I will of course call my zorses warmbloods. Do you think, with the stripes, that I could register them with the color breed people, too? Like SHOC and IROC?

I’m an alter, and I hate stupid people.

[_SERAPH]

hitchinmygetalong–

I nominate YOU as the now well-informed person to approach Alex and tell him his writers’ are WRONG!

You could always threaten to sue him…I’m sure there is a way! LOL!

[BaldEagle]

Zebra hybrid is cute surprise

It was a bit of a shock to everyone

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1408717.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1405000/images/_1408717_zeb300.jpg

[This message was edited by BaldEagle on Nov. 08, 2003 at 03:31 PM.]

[Medievalist]

Oh ok thanks

Didi didn’t want to be a stinkin’ warmblood anyhow And I will never call him one either

I think I am actually getting somewhere on these applications…but then again I may be lying to myself.
Centre Equestre de la Houssaye

[2487lyf]

I DIDN’T SAY THEY RESEMBLE TODAYS DRAFT HORSES. I’m saying: They decended from an old form of European Draft horses. Over CENTURIES they have evolved into sporthorses through the addition of French Thoroughbred blood. I’ll even find it on the Hanoverian Verband Website…
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The Hanoverian horse originates from North West Germany where it was used for agricultural work and as a carriage horse. In 1867 a breed society was formed and the Hanoverian was developed as a military horse and later as a general farming horse. Today the Hanoverian is valued as a competition horse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is true for all of todays European Sport Horse breeds.

~~Nattie~~
Maryland Clique
Non-GPA Clique!
Warmblood (Hanoverian) Clique

[This message was edited by Nattie on Nov. 08, 2003 at 08:45 PM.]

[CuriousGeorge]

No, the zebra was only my example.

Seraph thinks that no matter what the breed is, as long as there is some European WB or TB in it, if you claim you are breeding for the Olympic disciplines, you can call your offspring warmbloods.

So I assumed according to her argument that if I established a breeding program of zebras, infused with TB, I could call the foals warmbloods, so long as I assure my customers that I am breeding with the Olympics as an eventual goal.

I’m an alter, and I hate stupid people.

[WhatzUp]

Thanks Bald Eagle … neato !

Someone should cross a ZORSE stallion with a chestnut Tb mare (CG !!!) !

Yours in sport,

Lynn

Founder of the Pinto Warmblood Clique

[wanderlust]

Nattie, I’m not sure what point you are trying to prove. We all know that the original horses the European warmbloods descended from was a working horse of heavier bone than the current warmblood breeds possess. What CW and I have said is that saying warmbloods are descended from “drafts” is misleading, as today’s “drafts” are very heavy farming horses, such as clydesdale, percheron, belgian, etc. However, the “draft” that the European warmbloods are descended from is different from that and not really a “draft” at all. They are from type of horse which 300 years ago was very similar to today’s Irish draught breed… heavier-boned than the current warmblood breeds, but nowhere close to as heavy as the “working draft” breeds of today. It was capable of pulling carriages, working in the fields, or serving as a light cavalry horse. It was not in any way, shape or form comparable to a Clydesdale or Belgian type “draft.”

[WhatzUp]

CW,

In what capacity do you work with the KWPN ?

Yours in sport,

Lynn

Founder of the Pinto Warmblood Clique

[Eomer]

Hotblood + Coldblood != Warmblood

(In C language ! = not)

“The fool on the hill”

[_SERAPH]

Gee, my guts are just spilling out of all the holes the monkey is poking into “my theory”…

And hitchinmygetalong—Don’t know where you’ve been but everyone knows how much trouble the monkey likes to cause and how nasty the monkey likes to be.

Anyway, what x said.

[_SERAPH]

For what I was saying, if there is any confusion:

“to produce outstanding riding horses capable of Olympic caliber performance.”

Enough said.

[OneonOne]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 5:
Devildog, The Rugged Lark quarter horses are supposed to be pretty tall.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

She wasn’t referring to how tall they actually are, she was referring to the (incorrect) measurements given. There’s no such thing as 14.5 hands.

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Formerly mmclough

[Black_Market_Radio]

This Is what I was talking about!

What are you going to do, bleed on me???

[bigbay]

I’m scared of the sport horse breeders! I try not to go over there.

(I did, however, like your comment about the multiple registries only proving that the check cleared)

[hitchinmygetalong]

Would a zebra be a coldblood or a hotblood?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

“I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning to sail my ship.”
-Louisa May Alcott

[CuriousGeorge]

Jester, those are warmbloods, because they are going to the Olympics! Hasn’t any of the rhetoric sunk in yet?

I’m an alter, and I hate stupid people.

[jjsmom]

Linny, the pedigree querry site is lovely for TBs, but so far, they don’t have good info. on other breeds.

I’ve found the IMH/Kentucky Horse park site has more general historical data on all breeds. There’s a special exhibit/feature on the development of draft horses. The link is www.imh.org/imh/draft/dr1.html

The article references the Black Horse of Flanders (which is the “Great Horse” which I have referenced in earlier posts as the predecessor of the European Warmbloods (and also the modern drafts).

There is also a general history of the horse, including changes through history, from approx. 600 a.d. forward. It’s quite informative on the development of many of the modern types (note I did not say BREEDS). The link for this is at http://www.imh.org/imh/exh1.html then click on the Middle Ages.

The other day, I also found information from some historians on the destrier (great horse) of the knights. I cannot seem to re-locate the site tonight, however. It gave a description of the horse as lighter than modern drafts, which I suspect, as you alluded to in your post, were bred from the earlier draft stock to be larger and larger for use as pulling animals. Whether you agree or not, it’s fascinating reading.

[This message was edited by jjsmom on Nov. 10, 2003 at 05:14 AM.]

[Fairview_Horse_Cente]

How 'bout lets forget the arguement over the original cross and where it came from.

Let’s just go on and say that any of you guys that want to start crossing “heavy pulling type” horses with lighter horses, and continue to cross over 100 or so years, thru evaluations and outcrossing with different breeds to constantly improve the horse toward the top riding horse goals, documenting your progress along the way, can go ahead at that point and begin to call them “Warmbloods”.

I would begin taking some “anti-aging” stuff now if I were you

Darlyn
http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com

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