You would still need volunteers on course at every fence to do things like stop horses, assist in case of falls, fix flags and footing, keep pedestrians out of the way etc. So I don’t think this would be an instead of, just an in addition to.
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Personal video has been submitted before and has been denied as useable by the TD. Unless they specifically request a certain fence be recorded, as did happen once to me when I was JJ.
EV115.3 has the time limits for Inquiries/Protests.
For “Incidents during the Event or scoring” (except mathematical or transcription errors) the time limit is 30 minutes after the results of the relevant results are posted.
For “Mathematical or transcription errors” the time limit is 3PM the day following the last day of the Event.
Yes at a different show last August, JJ said someone had a stop but the horse did not step backwards, just hesitated. The TD would not look at personal video. The rider’s daughter had videoed her round.
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I think I remember two cases where errors were found days after the completion of the Event, and USEA said they would not change the official results
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I’ve been wondering about this for timing purposes for a while because twice in the last year my time has been wrong by a minute. A minute! Once was a minute slow and once was a minute fast, and neither was remotely plausible. I noticed and inquired within the time limit, and both times it was corrected so I assume it was a transcription error. I really didn’t have any proof though so this made me wonder if there’s a way to track one’s own time that would be accepted in the event of a discrepancy.
That’s rough! I too am interested to know if there is an officially accepted timer one can use to dispute times.
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I did this in 2019 at Foshay (New Brunswick). I believe it was the first year that the FEI rule came out about videoing corners and skinnies to ensure the horse was clear (and it was optional).
I used my own phone, and the TD helped determine the place I should stand to capture the correct angle for my fence. I was not jump judging - just doing the video. I also didn’t know in advance that I was doing this, because I signed up to scribe dressage but told then I’d be there on XC day if they needed me as well.
The videos weren’t uploaded anywhere or sent to anyone - they were taken in the case that there was a close call, so that the TD (maybe it’s the Ground Jury?) could check to see if the rider really was clear over the fence. We did need it once. I don’t have a data plan on my personal phone so I couldn’t send it that way - I had to text it to the TD, who then sent it out. They also watched the original on my phone (texting kills video quality) to be sure. It was helpful because the rider was clear at that fence.
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We time every horse over our fence. Fence one acts as a back-up to the start, the last fence habitually also reports when a horse has gone through the finish. I can’t recall any complaints about time for many, many seasons.
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If this is the same show from the other thread where they were putting people into the championship who didn’t enter, it sounds like it had significant organizational challenges.
Could someone point me in the direction of this other thread?
This is the thread.
Here is the post.
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I personally think there are already too many subdivisions. I always liked that I could go in and compete against world class riders.
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Agreed. Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but the ribbon doesn’t mean much to me. Being able to watch the pros in warm-up and occasionally have one wish me good luck as they are coming out and I am coming in is much more enjoyable. I still remember from years ago a pro I admired telling me they liked my former gelding!
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Only the less commonly offered Amateur division lacks pros. Anyone can go in the Open division, and the Rider and Horse divisions are generally full of pros.
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I may not be up to date … how is a LL Rider division full of pros? Are some pros not riding above LL’s?
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Green/baby horses have to start somewhere, why does it not seem reasonable that they would start in the lower levels?
Edit to add - I am reading your question again, and you mean the rider division.
I am sure there are pros that qualify for those. But now that I read it correctly I agree with your thought.
There are plenty of pros who are only competing at the lower levels (remember, Amateur is defined ONLY by getting paid, NOT by skill).
Also plenty of pros who USED to compete at the upper levels, but have not done it in more than 5 years
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I know a Pro Eventer who has a string of personal and client horses from BN thru 3*. They ride/show all of them. They CAN ride in any division (except explicitly ammy) and will usually choose the Horse or Open division. Some others do not. There are a couple rated shows near me that aren’t large enough to have those splits. They only have an Open Novice division (for example).
I give lower level dressage lessons. I am a “pro” and registered as such on USEA. However, I only started jumping (eventing) 5 years ago, and have young horses. I usually enter Open or Horse divisions when offered, although some ammies I’ve gotten to know ride made eventers and they and their horses are in full-training year round, spend the winters in FL, etc. They have a LOT more experience, training, and horses than I do! So, it is what it is and I just try to do the best for me and my horse to enjoy this great sport!
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If they’re currently showing horses at 3* then no, they can’t ride in any division. They can’t be in the Rider division at Modified or below. They have to be in Open or Horse at those levels.
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I’ve placed a timer at the
1/2 mark on xc to record the time to help w time disputes.
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