How much is your endurance horse worth...now?

Vickey, you were asked two direct questions:

  1. How many horses have you bought for 3K or less, , and sold for 20K+?

  2. Will you take up either offer of consignment horses?

Those are easy and simple to answer, especially that first one. I know it may be more difficult to address number 2, but when you are not not busy uploading new ‘usin’ pics to the website and posting about how sick you are with fibromyalgia and broken pelvises and all the other terrible ailments you endure. Oh wait and polling about how long it takes to trim horses. And how __ blanket fits. And how many SmartPaks you buy, AND how Rambo’s suck a weenie. And your dog’s sore feet. And the goofy Paso can’t nobody catch. And putting out roundbales with horse’s tails- as spikes presumably! And the face-planted chicken. AND being vegan. Whew, tires a body out.

Jealous? Lawsy, of what?

LMAO! Stalk much?! Yep, jealousy. I’m convinced some of you don’t even OWN horses. Being that I’ve never seen a single photo or video or any kind of proof whatsoever…well lets just say your posts aren’t worth the electrons they’re wasting. :smiley:

Oh excuse me - one of you DID actually post a video of yourself and your horse one time. And funny how the horse was all tangled up in reins and longe ropes and you were banging him in the mouth like some kind of crazed chimpanzee and then had the bawlzzz to call it … are you ready for this…TRAINING. Yup, training. But the real funny part is that you were having all kinds of behavioral issues with this horse (imagine that!) and posted for some advice. Gee, lets start by untanging the poor beast from all the ropes and stop yanking on his mouth and ya MIGHT get somewhere. Let’s just say katarine, I’ve seen your horse handling “skills” and belive me sweetheart I wouldn’t allow you within a square mile of any of my animals.

But I bow to the Expert Horse Trainer and Breeder and Seller and Trail Rider and One who has never been within 100 miles of an endurance ride but now is an Endurance Expurrrrrt.

Carry on, it’s quite comical actually.

[QUOTE=Auventera Two;5398461]
LMAO! Stalk much?! Yep, jealousy. I’m convinced some of you don’t even OWN horses. Being that I’ve never seen a single photo or video or any kind of proof whatsoever…well lets just say your posts aren’t worth the electrons they’re wasting. :smiley:

yor right on one thing it is rather comicial reading your posts comes in real close to the village expert lol hilarious

as for stalking nah no one does that, just have to have a giggle sometimes so read your posts is contridictive in every word or reply be that in the same topic or a different one always comes round to mememememe and mine

gotta hand it to you a2, your one on your own as so many problems you have mind you half of those you brought in like it, so good judge of a a horse - not but who i am its not me paying all the naff vet bills i say naff as most know you google your vets advice of what it could be but not what it actually is so rather than spend money on a proper diagonises you would rather pay xyz for tons of stuffs thats cheap quick fixes only problem there is cheap is what cheap does
cutting corners i get it get now as your so full of ailments yourself and hardly work as must have heaps of time off you need to do the cheap thing
and cut corners as real expense is just to much for you to put yer hand in yer old pocket with real money that looks like a dollar bill as in lots of wonga

But I bow to the Expert Horse Trainer and Breeder and Seller and Trail Rider and One who has never been within 100 miles of an endurance ride but now is an Endurance Expurrrrrt.

are your jealous

[QUOTE=Auventera Two;5398461]
LMAO! Stalk much?! Yep, jealousy. I’m convinced some of you don’t even OWN horses. Being that I’ve never seen a single photo or video or any kind of proof whatsoever…well lets just say your posts aren’t worth the electrons they’re wasting. :smiley:

Oh excuse me - one of you DID actually post a video of yourself and your horse one time. And funny how the horse was all tangled up in reins and longe ropes and you were banging him in the mouth like some kind of crazed chimpanzee and then had the bawlzzz to call it … are you ready for this…TRAINING. Yup, training. But the real funny part is that you were having all kinds of behavioral issues with this horse (imagine that!) and posted for some advice. Gee, lets start by untanging the poor beast from all the ropes and stop yanking on his mouth and ya MIGHT get somewhere.

But I bow to the Expert Horse Trainer and Breeder and Seller and Trail Rider and One who has never been within 100 miles of an endurance ride but now is an Endurance Expurrrrrt.

Carry on, it’s quite comical actually.[/QUOTE]

What in the world are you talking about?

The fact that you ride your horses and post videos/pics has nothing to do with the statement you made about selling your horse for 20K. And when someone asks you about it, that means he/she is jealous of you?

To be honest, I didn’t bother to question you because I know what Arabians sell for. I’ve had Arabians for nearly 20 years. Seven currently and a few more from years past – if you want to look them up, PM me and I’ll give you my farm name. You can look up the show records, too, so you can see that I DO ride, even if I don’t plaster the internet with vids and pics.

And to say that a 20K sales price is not the norm would be an understatement.

Comical, yes it is.

Well if everybody would like to get their panties out their butt cracks, and actually READ what I posted…

I said that a horse is worth what a buyer is willing to pay.

PERIOD.

Some people will ONLY pay 50 bucks on a horse from the kill pen at an auction. Some will pay 4K for an unstarted 4 year old. Some will pay 20K for a horse with a couple 50s under their belt. As I said, I trim some ordinary trail horses - absolutely NOTHING special - who were bought in the $5K range. I personally wouldn’t spend $5K on some nondescript chestnut quarter horse just started 30 days under saddle, and then drive 4 states away to get him, but that’s ME. Clearly other people want what I do not, so they pay for it. Yes one of my trimming clients drove 1,000 miles to buy a chestnut quarter horse barely started under saddle and paid around 5K for him. It made my eyebrows shoot up, but whatever. His money, his time, his choice. The horse is a very nice boy. Sweet, trainable, big, a nice horse. But you could probably find the same thing in your own back yard for 500 bucks. Whatever. To each his own. Another one of my trimming clients drove nearly to Canada and paid 4K for an appy with the pissiest disposition and crappiest conformation I have EVER seen. I absolutely despise trimming that animal. In fact, I just dumped her because of it. But whatever. Her money, and she wanted the exact blanket pattern THAT horse had.

A HORSE IS WORTH WHAT A BUYER WANTS TO PAY, whether it be 50 bucks or 50,000.

Not sure how more clearly I can state that. :rolleyes:

I have inquired on very spendy endurance horses (yes ARABIANS) that had major MAJOR issues that was not disclosed in the ad. Those horses were later sold so SOMEBODY bought them. SOMEBODY wanted them bad enough to spend the $$$. It sure as hell wasn’t me, but somebody paid.

Yes I am well aware that the market is flooded with scag nasty Arabians and that they’re a dime a dozen. And yes I agree that you could go just about anywhere and pick one up for a hundred bucks tomorrow. But that wasn’t the question in the OP, was it? The question was “How much is your endurance horse worth…now.” I answered that by saying that I could sell mine for 5K tomorrow. That guy would fall over with a heart attack if he had the opportunity to buy her. Or I could probably market her just right and find a buyer willing to pay a lot more. Whatever. She’s not for sale so it’s a stupid point to belabor. But I did in fact answer the OP. If you don’t like that answer, then fine. It affects me NONE what you think your horses are worth today. But I answered the question in the OP.

I said that a horse is worth what a buyer is willing to pay.

Well, shoot, AV. That can be said of just about anything.But what a buyer is willing to pay is very much affected by the market for that item. Which is why some who are familiar with the market for Arabians were wondering about this statement.

I’m sure I could find a buyer who would pay $20,000 for my horse. But it might take a long time and a lot of advertising fees and probably a professional video and photos and maybe a trainer to present her to prospective buyers, but I’m sure it would be do-able.

You’re correct that advertising, professional videos and photos, and a trainer presentation may help you get incrementally more for a horse. But they won’t magically change the market and quadruple the price a horse will fetch. No matter how long you work at it, that’s not “doable.”

[QUOTE=Auventera Two;5398585]
Well if everybody would like to get their panties out their butt cracks, and actually READ what I posted…

I said that a horse is worth what a buyer is willing to pay.

PERIOD.

Some people will ONLY pay 50 bucks on a horse from the kill pen at an auction. Some will pay 4K for an unstarted 4 year old. Some will pay 20K for a horse with a couple 50s under their belt. As I said, I trim some ordinary trail horses - absolutely NOTHING special - who were bought in the $5K range. I personally wouldn’t spend $5K on some nondescript chestnut quarter horse just started 30 days under saddle, and then drive 4 states away to get him, but that’s ME. Clearly other people want what I do not, so they pay for it. Yes one of my trimming clients drove 1,000 miles to buy a chestnut quarter horse barely started under saddle and paid around 5K for him. It made my eyebrows shoot up, but whatever. His money, his time, his choice. The horse is a very nice boy. Sweet, trainable, big, a nice horse. But you could probably find the same thing in your own back yard for 500 bucks. Whatever. To each his own. Another one of my trimming clients drove nearly to Canada and paid 4K for an appy with the pissiest disposition and crappiest conformation I have EVER seen. I absolutely despise trimming that animal. In fact, I just dumped her because of it. But whatever. Her money, and she wanted the exact blanket pattern THAT horse had.

A HORSE IS WORTH WHAT A BUYER WANTS TO PAY, whether it be 50 bucks or 50,000.

Not sure how more clearly I can state that. :rolleyes:

I have inquired on very spendy endurance horses (yes ARABIANS) that had major MAJOR issues that was not disclosed in the ad. Those horses were later sold so SOMEBODY bought them. SOMEBODY wanted them bad enough to spend the $$$. It sure as hell wasn’t me, but somebody paid.

thats not quite what you said but there you go back peddle

Yes I am well aware that the market is flooded with scag nasty Arabians and that they’re a dime a dozen. And yes I agree that you could go just about anywhere and pick one up for a hundred bucks tomorrow. But that wasn’t the question in the OP, was it? The question was “How much is your endurance horse worth…now.” I answered that by saying that I could sell mine for 5K tomorrow. That guy would fall over with a heart attack if he had the opportunity to buy her. Or I could probably market her just right and find a buyer willing to pay a lot more. Whatever. She’s not for sale so it’s a stupid point to belabor. But I did in fact answer the OP. If you don’t like that answer, then fine. It affects me NONE what you think your horses are worth today. But I answered the question in the OP.[/QUOTE]

like i said 5k fr a horse full of ulcers- poor bloke will be done over like a kipper and you for once will be in profit maybe you spend that on a proper diagnoses for the little filly

Gee, maybe some of this time you spend on the internet would be better spent getting an education. You know, something that would allow you to READ the english language and comprehend it. Since you’re so damned worried about my filly, why don’t you re-read her thread and see that she WAS diagnosed. Avulsion of distal straight sesmoidian ligament. 4 sets of radiographs, ultrasounds and 3 vets. And that she is doing AWESOME. She’s been cleared for handwalking now and she is WELL on the road to recovery. At this point there is no detectable lameness in her gait at ALL. And believe me most people could only hope to own a horse half as nice as my “full of ulcers” Arab. And so far I’ve seen no proof that you own a horse at ALL. A Barbie Dream Horse perhaps. LMAO! You sure like to talk but when rubber meets road, there is NO proof that you own a horse. Zippo. None. Instead of obsessing over every little detail of my life and my horses, how bout you show us all what YOUR horses do? Funny, in all these years you’ve been posting I haven’t seen one photo. One video. One personal story of your horses. None.

But oops I forgot. You know more about my horses than I do…:lol:

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Gee, maybe some of this time you spend on the internet would be better spent getting an education. You know, something that would allow you to READ the english language and comprehend it. Since you’re so damned worried about my filly, why don’t you re-read her thread and see that she WAS diagnosed. Avulsion of distal straight sesmoidian ligament. And that she is doing AWESOME. She’s been cleared for handwalking now and she is WELL on the road to recovery. At this point there is no detectable lameness in her gait at ALL. And believe me most people could only hope to own a horse half as nice as my “full of ulcers” Arab. And so far I’ve seen no proof that you own a horse at ALL. A Barbie Dream Horse perhaps. LMAO! You sure like to talk but when rubber meets road, there is NO proof that you own a horse. Zippo. None. Instead of obsessing over every little detail of my life and my horses, how bout you show us all what YOUR horses do? Funny, in all these years you’ve been posting I haven’t seen one photo. One video. One personal story of your horses. None.

But oops I forgot. You know more about my horses than I do…:lol:[/QUOTE]

So many, many words … and still no answer to the $20,000 question. :o

AV, when you’re in a hole, it’s best to stop digging. Or in your case, stop doing a funny dance to distract onlookers from the depth of the hole you’ve made for yourself. Whether gls or katarine or anyone else has horses or not has nothing to do with the idea that you can quadruple the price for your horse with just ads, vids and photos. I mean, if photos and vids were that effective, you’d have COTH posters pounding on your door to buy anything you have. :lol:

I’ve had to say “oops, never mind” on this board a time or two when I got something wrong. It’s not a crime to be ignorant of something, you know.

Vickey, you were asked two direct questions:

  1. How many horses have you bought for 3K or less, , and sold for 20K+?

  2. Will you take up either offer of consignment horses?

I am still interested in the answers to those questions.

The video you recall of me was about a client’s horse. I thought he had medical issues, he just didn’t seem right to me. My long lines were pretty darn long, yes. He was not ever tangled, bothered, or tripped, etc by them. Did they touch the ground behind me? Yes. I also tied his stirrups together under his belly which freaked you out, and ran the lines through the stirrups and back to my hands. You then learned that’s pretty normal in ground driving with a western saddle. He had a mother of a BUCK on him, and I wanted long lines so I had some chance of retaining both control, and my teeth, if he broke in to pieces and launched himself. Despite being no more than 14.2 hands, I saw his midline from the ground more than once. I wanted to have a hold on him if he exploded, pretty simple explanation of those lines. Ghazzu saw it, she can chime in on the video if she so desires.

as for other pics or vids, they are all over this forum, have been for years. Not hard to find if you’re interested. I can’t get to Flickr or Shutterfly right now, but HunterTwo can, she knows where my photos are LOL.

I ride trails, I ride and take lessons in dressage. I don’t do endurance.

[QUOTE=Auventera Two;5398642]
Gee, maybe some of this time you spend on the internet would be better spent getting an education. You know, something that would allow you to READ the english language and comprehend it. Since you’re so damned worried about my filly, why don’t you re-read her thread and see that she WAS diagnosed. Avulsion of distal straight sesmoidian ligament. 4 sets of radiographs, ultrasounds and 3 vets. And that she is doing AWESOME. She’s been cleared for handwalking now and she is WELL on the road to recovery. At this point there is no detectable lameness in her gait at ALL. And believe me most people could only hope to own a horse half as nice as my “full of ulcers” Arab. And so far I’ve seen no proof that you own a horse at ALL. A Barbie Dream Horse perhaps. LMAO! You sure like to talk but when rubber meets road, there is NO proof that you own a horse. Zippo. None. Instead of obsessing over every little detail of my life and my horses, how bout you show us all what YOUR horses do? Funny, in all these years you’ve been posting I haven’t seen one photo. One video. One personal story of your horses. None.

But oops I forgot. You know more about my horses than I do…:lol:[/QUOTE]

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billy

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jazz

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tigga

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ollie ooh this ones to much money hes an x grade a international show jumper
last ridden by geoff luckett but all tho old still hold his value
as hes won for his country and his winning out weight what you think your horse is worth try 5times the amount
rides out - and hoopoe can vouch for his keenest and still wins
at a ripe old age of 28

and so does the smallest of my herd at the ripe old age of 28yrs
can still compete be it in hand or whatever and still come home and be placed
within the top three
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lol she would outweight your horse in price as shes a prince phillip the cup games pony lol so geniune school mistress and still going at 28yrs old

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bonnie

bonnie with me and a lesson
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another lesson jumping my bonnie at a show last oct
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another lesson at an eventing competition
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these a re just a couple of my horses and ponies

geniune school mistress and all rounder versitle and turns her hoof to anything

i compete at mixed events depends what takes my fancy who i tak

e and who i go with and what horses or ponies i decide to take and who
might ride them be it me or debs or my pupils
my horses and ponies are all well behaved schooled well box load and clip
whatever,
so no i havent toy horses and ponies i have real one that actually go out and do things as in work

It is not my duty to prove to you how much money I can get for my horse. I answered the OP’s question honestly. I feel I could get 20K for my horse if I marketed her properly. Most people could. Period. If you don’t believe that then fine, whatever. Not my problem. We’re not in 4th grade where we have to prove who is better than the kid across the lunch table so grow up. Seems I’m about the only one on this thread who actually answered the OP’s question. Everybody else talked about the enduance market and Arab overbreeding in general. You’re entitled to whatever your opinion might be and I’m entitled to mine.

Next we’ll trade recipes for pound cake, since A2 has time to update her website and add photos of her mare cavorting, and attack me and GLS, but she does not have time to answer Two Simple Questions.

Why do you care? What are you attempting to prove? I answered the OP’s question. If you don’t like it, whatever. Not my problem.

And just to make you happy - NONE. I don’t sell my horses because they are family members to me. Lease them out, sure. Sell them? No. But why does that matter? The question was How much is your endurance horse worth right now? And I answered that question honestly. If you don’t like that answer, then that’s your perogative but it doesn’t mean that I have to PROVE anything to you or anyone else.

And NO I have no desire to play patty cake games with online BBers. I think I specified that already. I have no interest or time to take on consignment horses from halfway across the country from people I don’t know. I don’t train and sell horses for profit.

But then that wasn’t the question of the OP was it? No, it wasn’t.

So katarine, How much is YOUR endurance horse worth, right now? That was the question. Oh oops, you don’t have one. You’ve never been within 100 miles of an endurance ride. I forgot.

I am still interested in the answers to those questions.

WHY. Tell me WHY you care. My opinion is that any sound, well trained, working horse CAN be marketed and sold for 20K TO THE RIGHT BUYER. Might take a while. Might take good marketing, good handling. I never said 10 billion people would beat down my door tomorrow. I only said it COULD BE POSSIBLE if one really wanted to do it.

If you don’t agree, you don’t agree, Whatever. Not my problem. But that is my opinion. Last time I checked, I was allowed to give it. But if you’d like to step into the role of moderator, email the Admins, and maybe they’ll promote you.

The video you recall of me was about a client’s horse. I thought he had medical issues, he just didn’t seem right to me. My long lines were pretty darn long, yes. He was not ever tangled, bothered, or tripped, etc by them. Did they touch the ground behind me? Yes. I also tied his stirrups together under his belly which freaked you out, and ran the lines through the stirrups and back to my hands. You then learned that’s pretty normal in ground driving with a western saddle. He had a mother of a BUCK on him, and I wanted long lines so I had some chance of retaining both control, and my teeth, if he broke in to pieces and launched himself. Despite being no more than 14.2 hands, I saw his midline from the ground more than once. I wanted to have a hold on him if he exploded, pretty simple explanation of those lines. Ghazzu saw it, she can chime in on the video if she so desires.

Common sense tells a person that when a horse has its face tied to its chest and is tangled up in long lines and reins and then some idjit is jerking on his face like a son of a buck, he might be inclined to protest. I was expecting the video to show some panicked freaked out animal the way you described him. What I saw instead was some slopped up hillbilly rigging and a “trainer” whaling on the poor animal’s face every time he made a move. That’s enough to make any horse fight back. Good god what did you expect? If I were that horse I probably would have killed the trainer and moved on with my life.

as for other pics or vids, they are all over this forum, have been for years. Not hard to find if you’re interested. I can’t get to Flickr or Shutterfly right now, but HunterTwo can, she knows where my photos are LOL.

I’ve seen a few here and there. Not many.

I ride trails, I ride and take lessons in dressage. I don’t do endurance.

Ahhh I see.

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It is not my duty to prove to you how much money I can get for my horse. I answered the OP’s question honestly. I feel I could get 20K for my horse if I marketed her properly. Most people could. Period. If you don’t believe that then fine, whatever. Not my problem. We’re not in 4th grade where we have to prove who is better than the kid across the lunch table so grow up. Seems I’m about the only one on this thread who actually answered the OP’s question. Everybody else talked about the enduance market and Arab overbreeding in general. You’re entitled to whatever your opinion might be and I’m entitled to mine.[/QUOTE]

not if shes got ulcers that would be a fail on a ppe as the horse would be deemed to be unfit for the job in hand hence why she perhaps wouldnt make it as an endurance horse

the market in horses changes from year to year country to country at the moment countires are still in reccession even usa is as they are in debt this effect the whole market price of everything to include horses as they are salable commodity

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Next we’ll trade recipes for pound cake, since A2 has time to update her website and add photos of her mare cavorting, and attack me and GLS, but she does not have time to answer Two Simple Questions.[/QUOTE]

thats becuase she cant she never done it

I understand more every day the power of your brain to see what it wants to see, where it wants to see it. The power of delusion is strong in some people, wow. You are now resorting to name calling and outright lying, as the colt was never tangled or troubled, not once. He wasn’t tied from face to chest, not at all. That is just a puzzling, made up, lie. And hillbilly? really? That is just the result of you feeling hemmed in and called out for what you are: a blowhard who lives in a dreamstate.

You are desparate to make this thread about an old video that I don’t even have anymore of a sawed off little cutting bred QH (talk about wayyyy off the endurance topic) rather than just answer two questions with #1 ) I haven’t and #2) I’m not interested.

That is just too much like being honest and forthright. Oh, you did answer, I see-they are friends, they are not for sale. And you don’t sell horses but you COULD. So you have no actual facts to back up your dreams? OK, just wanted to know. If that’s all it takes, wishes and dreams, then I hearby declare that Chippy and I can ride and win at GP level dressage at Aachen. It’s TRUE. I BELIEVE!!! Man, I’m glad that’s all it takes, wishes.

I never once in my born days on this planet suggested, implied or inferred I ride endurance horses. Never. Why you feel empowered to remind me and others of something none of us ever thought was a fact, is …weird.

I can’t figure out how or why you need photographic evidence that I own horses or ride horses. That’s coocoo for coacoapuffs. Would a signed affidavit be better?

How about proof from the registry that you own Andre, Sweets, and the filly? That I’d like to see.

THAT, and a really good pound cake recipe.

Seems I’m about the only one on this thread who actually answered the OP’s question. Everybody else talked about the enduance market and Arab overbreeding in general.

Well, don’t you think the “endurance market” might have something to do with how much an “endurance” horse would be worth? And the general availability of quality Arabians would have an impact on sales price?

Naaaah! :lol:

AV, I never asked you to prove what your horse is worth or how much you could get for her. I said you are mistaken in your ideas about marketing horses. I like your horse. But it’s extremely unlikely that anyone would pay $20,000 for her, no matter how many professional pictures, videos and trainers you had presenting her. Yes, that is my opinion. But it’s based on more than idle speculation on a BB.

Carry on.

LOL… the claws are out stalking once again. Unless school was canceled due to snow and the kiddies are home?

No where to my knowledge did A2 ever say she sold a 20K horse.

Why don’t you wannabes get a life and start acting like adults. Gosh, do you all have that much time on your hands? Very desperate, hateful souls:no: I really feel sorry for you.

Hey Hunter, wanna tell her how to find my photos???