Some years ago, I found one stallion with a paper which complied with some of my greatest desires …
Confuchias : http://sporthorse-data.com/d?d=confuchias&sex=&color=&dog_breed=any&birthyear=&birthland=
Because of Sir Ivor?
We have a 3yo by Include who has the brain, the movement, the conformation, and the temperament to make a great sport horse when he finishes racing. His sire is who I would pick: http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/stallions/125594/include
My Bernadini Stallion “Weave It To Me” who is out of a multiple Graded Stakes winning Family…Proved to me that His Sire Bernardini can produce WONDERFUL minded athletic Sports Horses…I have had 5-6 so far and every single one of them had kind easy minds, very trainable, solid sound stoic individuals, good feet,sound, and steady character. Why I kept him intact and sent off to stud…
I currently have a Dove Hunt 3yr old Colt who is the splitting image of his sire…and boy can he move and jump…time will tell if he is going to become a Sports Horse or a Sports Gelding.
Colleen Rutledge Competes a Stallion By Medaglio d’Oro and so far the get from Medaglio d’Oro have proven to be stunners. Albeit that sires get is also difficult to find.
Jumpstart is another sire that has shown me he produces what we the modern sports horse eventers are looking for and Dance with Ravens…
not only Sir Ivor …
but also Court Martial and his father Fair Trial, and further back Supreme Court / Precipitation / Hurry On, and Princequillo, Royal Charger (for the ‘peps)’
and I have a mare who also has those bloodlines …
http://www.webpedigrees.com/inbreeding.php?nid=0&nidp=565149&nidm=361361&nbgen=8
On paper that looks like a nice mare.
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not only Sir Ivor …
but also Court Martial and his father Fair Trial, and further back Supreme Court / Precipitation / Hurry On, and Princequillo, Royal Charger (for the ‘peps)’
and I have a mare with also has those bloodlines …
http://www.webpedigrees.com/inbreeding.php?nid=0&nidp=565149&nidm=361361&nbgen=8[/QUOTE]
Which Nimbus? The Nearco one or the Elf one?
Nimbus by Nearco and Lackaday
My stallion has Thurio 77 times. Someone looked that up for me. Thurio is behind Blue Larkspur, Darkie (dam of Dark Ronald) and therefore in Son in Law and Hurry On. Do not know if these have Thurio to thank for any of their positive traits though. But the person who looked up for me how many times my horse has Thurio seems to think Thurio was the power behind those horses.
Thurio is mentioned here: http://www.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/cgi/viewnews.pl?category=9&id=1132038944
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=34605
Here are quite a lot of (old) riding horse type Thoroughbred pictures to be seen:
http://www.horse-gate-forum.com/showthread.php?58352-quot-Unser-quot-Carlo/page23
I found info on this guy (Handsome Stranger) awhile ago. Not a racer… And not in the US. But definitely excellent lines for Sporthorse TBs.
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10406611&z=AD7HZn
I also found this fellow (Templar Spirit). Also not a racer and not in US. But another pure TB son of Hand in Glove. The site has info about the 2012 breeding season though… I wonder if he i s still around
http://www.templarstud.com/horsesheets/tspirit.html
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I found info on this guy (Handsome Stranger) awhile ago. Not a racer… And not in the US. But definitely excellent lines for Sporthorse TBs.
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10406611&z=AD7HZn
I also found this fellow (Templar Spirit). Also not a racer and not in US. But another pure TB son of Hand in Glove. The site has info about the 2012 breeding season though… I wonder if he i s still around
http://www.templarstud.com/horsesheets/tspirit.html[/QUOTE]
Templar Spirit has a much better pedigree. I did not know about him, thanks.
Wonder what he is up to. He looks like he stepped out of a page of TB antiquity; very correct and classic. Could not find more info on him, but found a very nice looking filly by him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KENfDiS5IDU
Found some weird stuff regarding a seizure but it’s unclear if it’s the same Templar Stud - but also a quick op piece in 2014 on Templar Justice which was in a YEH class.
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Templar Spirit has a much better pedigree. I did not know about him, thanks.
Wonder what he is up to. He looks like he stepped out of a page of TB antiquity; very correct and classic. Could not find more info on him, but found a very nice looking filly by him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KENfDiS5IDU[/QUOTE]
The video of him showed nice movement. Looks like he was bred using embryo transfer… So that’s the “old lines” factor. I wonder if he freezes well…
And that IS a nice mare Beowulf. Looks like he produced a few fillies with TB mares which have been sold to eventing homes.
Just a question, why not look for modern lines in mares from the stallion lines you love? Then you can do more than dream. For eventing I love the blood in the dam side. It takes a long time to get there but if they’re good enough and get into the right hands anything is possible. My TB mare has her 6yo qualified for Mondial Du Lion this year after winning his first CIC*. Took a long time and said horse ending up in talented hands but worth it all.
Terri
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Just a question, why not look for modern lines in mares from the stallion lines you love? Then you can do more than dream. For eventing I love the blood in the dam side. It takes a long time to get there but if they’re good enough and get into the right hands anything is possible. My TB mare has her 6yo qualified for Mondial Du Lion this year after winning his first CIC*. Took a long time and said horse ending up in talented hands but worth it all.
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Probably because it is already not a known quantity and breeding that way is more of a long-term endeavor and most people do not have the finances or the time required to do so. It would take several generations. Dams from very successful families are hard to come by in the US, and this type of endeavor would be much easier abroad, IMHO.
I agree it is very needed in the US.
I could be wrong, but last I heard from breeders of UL eventers you want blood top side, most of the time. The influence of the dam is obviously important and it seems the trend ATM is to have a TB sire and a warmblood-type dam. This combines the blood and gallop with movement while the dam delivers the consistency of a purpose-bred family.
Doesn’t seem to be a factor here Beowolf. I have an UL eventer interested in this year’s colt out of the TB dam. Oddly enough not a problem selling TB mare’s offspring over here. Ironic isn’t it?
Terri
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My TB mare has her 6yo qualified for Mondial Du Lion this year after winning his first CIC*. Took a long time and said horse ending up in talented hands but worth it all.
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Congratulations! That is a wonderful achievement!
Thank you Elle’s. I’m really proud of him. I’ve only had 3 warmbloods from the mare. One jumped as a 5yo and another was sold to a moron as a foal. My mare has produced a consistent type over and over again. Size, body, movement, and temperament. In any breed you can have a mare that throws all over the shop actually. TB mares can breed consistency. I wouldn’t have kept her except for the fact that she has been so consistent. Her fourth foal is the colt she has now by Royal Concorde.
Terri
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Probably because it is already not a known quantity and breeding that way is more of a long-term endeavor and most people do not have the finances or the time required to do so. It would take several generations. Dams from very successful families are hard to come by in the US, and this type of endeavor would be much easier abroad, IMHO.
I agree it is very needed in the US.
I could be wrong, but last I heard from breeders of UL eventers you want blood top side, most of the time. The influence of the dam is obviously important and it seems the trend ATM is to have a TB sire and a warmblood-type dam. This combines the blood and gallop with movement while the dam delivers the consistency of a purpose-bred family.[/QUOTE]
The reason that the practice of putting a TB sire on top is probably because most of Europe simply doesn’t have the QUANTITY of TB mares that are available in bigger racing countries. They already have WB mares, so to get blood, they pretty much have to put the TB on top. The Irish and UK folks don’t seem to discriminate as much as the Germans, Dutch and Belgians, who do not have TB mares available. It certainly never hurt the Selle Francais in the past to breed to blood mares, whether TB or AA, although the modern practice is different.
Also with the much larger number of foals from sires, it’s much easier to determine what you are likely to get from breeding. It takes ten or eleven years to get ten or fewer foals from a mare, but a sire get far more than that in just one year.
