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I think it is equally cruel to send our children to school. ;)[/QUOTE]
Agreed. They are much better served as my barn slaves (or with a side of dipping sauce, but that’s REALLY anti-vegan). 
[QUOTE=PlanB;7995697]
I would wear it proudly. Of course, if it’s cold enough around here to wear a fur coat, chances of you walking by someone holding a paint can is pretty slim. It was -30c this morning; I was certainly happy to have my goose down coat.[/QUOTE]
At that temperature, the paint would probably freeze between can and coat!
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I wonder why the need for labels. Why is there a need to announce or tag someone with a label? Why is it that there is a need to announce I am eating this way because I am a (fill in the blank)? Or you must be eating that way because you are a (fill in the blank)?[/QUOTE]
It is those calling themselves vegan/vegetarians who use the labels for themselves.
They are the ones announcing that they are on some of those kinds of restrictive, excuse me, selective diet.
Everyone else would never know if v/v themselves didn’t mention it.
[QUOTE=PlanB;7995610]
I think it’s not politically correct on COTH to say that there is no such thing as magic ;)[/QUOTE]
You’re correct; it isn’t.
My response, however, is also non-PC: DILLIGAS. 
I watched about 45 sec. of the video and then turned it off. The base premise (i.e., that any use of animals for private gain is morally or ethically offensive) is one to which I do not subscribe. Why go any further on that score?
Some questions have been raised about making note of “appearance.” The speaker does not look “healthy.” Appearance is actually one sign of good health. I used to have to read medical charts on a regular basis and the good ones always described, at least in general and usually more so, the “appearance” of the patient. Of course I wouldn’t describe a “Wal-Mart Land Whale” has healthy, either. Making note of appearance is completely legitimate under the circumstances of the video.
G.
Regarding “Forks over Knives” I found two critiques. Different points of view and language but similar criticisms:
http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/
G.
[QUOTE=Hulk;7995853]
I wonder why the need for labels. Why is there a need to announce or tag someone with a label? Why is it that there is a need to announce I am eating this way because I am a (fill in the blank)? Or you must be eating that way because you are a (fill in the blank)?[/QUOTE]
The label is certainly a convenient shorthand if we are eating together and you need to communicate your dietary needs to me.
What I don’t understand is vegans that have horses, and feed their horses hay.
How many animals were killed in the mowing and baling of the hay? Probably quite a few! I know I’ve pulled my share of dried snakes, rabbit fur, and frogs out of bales. I can’t be the only one. So what justifies that its okay to kill those animals to feed the horse?
I keep trying to understand how this cat on my lap or the dog in front of the wood heater or the pony up to her belly in shavings and alfalfa are exploited. The woman in the video needs to do animal care at my house for a day. She may change her mind about who is exploiting whom.
So, my pony likes to fox hunt as much as I do, does she get a pass because she’s vegan?
I like peanut butter with my apple slices - does anybody care ?
Why all the fuss ? I think that a footprint shall result in any form of diet thats purchased & offered to us in the convenience of a little package. Until we grow food & substain completely on our own then our diets share in common many of the same problem & issues.
I LOVE chocolate cheesecake too. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t begrudge a taste of any whether it be gluten - lactose - egg - peanut - or sugar free. vegan & meatlovers unite !!!
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From the comments
…" I do however only eat food of which its life had come to an end (for example sprouts, green tomatoes, or mushrooms would not be included in my diet)."…[/QUOTE]
I couldn’t finish the thread from the amount of giggling that ensued after I read this! :lol:
Are mushrooms actually a living thing? If she doesn’t eat mushrooms, does that mean they never die and hold the secret to immortality?
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I like peanut butter with my apple slices - does anybody care ?
Why all the fuss ? I think that a footprint shall result in any form of diet thats purchased & offered to us in the convenience of a little package. Until we grow food & substain completely on our own then our diets share in common many of the same problem & issues.![/QUOTE]
The video has nothing to do with food/diet.
Learned a new word today! :lol: This line should probably be my sig.
[QUOTE=AffirmedHope;7996358]
I couldn’t finish the thread from the amount of giggling that ensued after I read this! :lol:
Are mushrooms actually a living thing? If she doesn’t eat mushrooms, does that mean they never die and hold the secret to immortality?[/QUOTE]
What it means, really, is that we have a lot of well-meaning young people today who are engaged in “values clarification” involving over-thinking a lot of the basic facts of life. Things like what we eat and how that impacts the wider world, what the role of animals should be in a post-industrial society, and even what it means to be male or female. In short, they’re seeking an identity, sometimes desperately. Since “everyone’s a celebrity” now with social media, some do it rather embarrassingly in the public eye. I’m sure her kids will find that video a HOWLER some day. :rolleyes:
Years ago media and print had a thing called an “EDITOR,” who chose the material worthy of publicity. Today we need to be our own editors, and just hit the “X” key for claptrap. Not all ideas are worthy of our time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4GxhmqCqQA&sns=fb[/QUOTE]
I stopped watching as soon as she used Nezerov as an expert.
As far as horses not liking to work, Guess what ‘I’ don’t like to work either that is why it is called ‘work’ you trade your effort for food and shelter.
[QUOTE=Beverley;7995132]
We should all care. Because 1% of the U.S. population are horse owners, and 2% of the U.S. population considers themselves to be vegans. So no matter how ‘out of touch’ they may be, they can beat us in the voting on any animal welfare issue, legitimate or not.
And, who else is ‘out of touch’ is us. Just look across the boards on this forum at one discipline calling another cruel, providing quotable ammunition for groups with agendas. We are our own worst enemy, just playing into the nonsense that includes this little video.[/QUOTE]
I have heard that most vegans(and a lot of vegetarian’s) really can’t stick with it for life or a just stretching the truth because avoiding meat seems more civilized.
The 1% horse owner statistic, is that taken at a fixed point in time where they count horses in America and compare that number to the population or does it include people who used to have a horse, take lessons, lease, are between horses…
[QUOTE=CrowneDragon;7995489]
Well, I’m vegan and I’ve never met you so I can’t say that I hate you or that you are abusive to your animals, but based on your responses here I’d have to guess that you are ignorant, judgmental, and rude.
I’m tired of dealing with close-minded bigots telling me who I am and what I think when they don’t know anything about me other than I’m vegan, and it’s one of the reasons I can’t wait to leave the Midwest. Never met so many intolerant people in my life.[/QUOTE]
You’re not vegan. You might eat a vegan type diet and try to avoid other animal products but if you live on a farm and keep animals and ride horses, that’s not vegan.
I agree there is no relationship between veganism and riding horses - or I will say no inherent relationship.
Clearly a strict vegan would probably not use any leather tack. I was raised a very strict vegan until my teens, raised on a farm. And, get this, we had HORSES! We had some Belgians for working the land, and an assortment of horses and ponies for riding. We didn’t have much in the way of tack and none of it was leather. We strictly avoided all animal by-products.
I would actually buy her argument more if she argued that dogs or cats and veganism don’t mix, since they are natural carnivores.
I think she’s a bit wackadoodledoo.
I saw an interesting article the other day. It seems that Quinoa is now unaffordable to the Peruvian natives who relied on it because it is now a highly favored vegan food.
PETA’s response…Tough so Peruvians are going without…no animals were hurt
[QUOTE=carolprudm;7996745]
I saw an interesting article the other day. It seems that Quinoa is now unaffordable to the Peruvian natives who relied on it because it is now a highly favored vegan food.
PETA’s response…Tough so Peruvians are going without…no animals were hurt[/QUOTE]
Indeed!
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The 1% horse owner statistic, is that taken at a fixed point in time where they count horses in America and compare that number to the population or does it include people who used to have a horse, take lessons, lease, are between horses…[/QUOTE]
That is current numbers, and I was generously rounding up. It’s actually 6 tenths of a percent, two million horse owners at present, per the American Horse Council. You can find many more statistics here:
http://www.horsecouncil.org/national-economic-impact-us-horse-industry
