[QUOTE=LuvMyTB;4724576]
… and the SLIGHTEST TRY should have been rewarded–again, another PP-ism. [/QUOTE]
No. This had been around a looooong time before PP.
Another important concept that got left in the dust is that there is no room for aggression in handling horses. Assertiveness, when needed, yes. Aggression, never.
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I don’t think you can teach an animal anything that has “shut down?” Many people working with breeder dogs from puppy mills or the Vick dogs say they were so shut down it took weeks to get any response from them. Wouldn’t it be better to teach the horse to channel the energy instead of treating it like the cowboys did in the old west, riding it until it stopped bucking and gave up (shutting down).
The horse had the same attitude in the entire video. She didn’t “end up” with anything; she never made a connection with the horse. Maybe she should have smacked him harder?
I’m not saying you believe this, just going by what you say her teaching methods are. Not yours![/QUOTE]
No, but you can “calm” the horse down by getting it off its adrenaline high. Or running/moving them into submission.
monstrpony–I’m well aware that phrase/logic has been around since way before PP and LP. Just saying that they DO preach it and then failed to follow it.
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Where is she supposed to be from? I have traveled quite a bit and have friends and business acquaintances from all over the World and her “accent” loses me completely. It’s kind of up state New Yorker Aussie California. 
When I first heard Chris Cox(who I am certain is the real deal) I thought he was full of it with his Florida/Aussie/Desert southwest accent - then I found out that that is where he had lived and realized he could not help it. Like my Nigeria friend that lives in Scotland now - that is one hoot of an accent let me tell you!
This treatment is exactly why i kicked the PPite out of my barn when she wanted to buy my Shane. She was a flaming whack job! He is still a bit head shy from it - it is disgraceful! And another woman tried to “work” Susie using the same techniques. Of course Susie turned immediately into an Easter Island statue and worked the lady instead - which was hilarious! It had no ill effects on her at all.
What utter nonsense! A great way to ruin a good horse! I hope the owner kicked her a good one! :mad:[/QUOTE]
I’ve learned a great deal from CC’s show. It is one of my weekly DVR’d shows. 
[QUOTE=LuvMyTB;4724688]
No, but you can “calm” the horse down by getting it off its adrenaline high. Or running/moving them into submission.[/QUOTE]
I’ve seen people try do this with Arabians. And so often, it ends up badly for the horse.
That’s what bothers me about this “horsenality” stuff and the PP games. It’s interesting and can even be helpful if you understand something about horses to begin with. But in the hands of people who don’t know much and want a recipe for horse training, it’s not so good, especially for the horses.
How disgusting.
And I thought I had seen the deepest depths to which the Peril-lies could sink. :no:
That poor, poor horse. And sorry, I don’t care who on here is friends with that stupid, stupid owner - s/he should have stopped this crap the first time LP smacked the horse in the face. You don’t have to be an experienced horse person to recognize abuse when you see it. In my opinion, the owner is as culpable as LP, for allowing that abuse to continue.
I invoke the COTH explosive diarrhea curse on LP, the owner, and all PP disciples, wherever they are.
So often these PP bashig threads amount to not much more than an anti-PP pile on - but in this case there is actual video evidence of a very bad tempered person with no clue as to what to do next to get the horse to ‘obey’, or whatever she was asking him. It certainly was no clearer to the horse than to me.
If handling horses makes her so angry, then she has no business handling the animals we love to love. True horsemen have the knack of helping the horse enjoy his work, build a foundation of trust based on gentleness, not tapping into their natural fear.
Meeting a truly agressive horse with equal agression may be necessary in the very short term (a few seconds) but this horse was nowhere near agressive,
so that explanation from the PPer does not wash.
To calm an agitated horse a better method is to put it to work to get a hold of his mind, if he is up and is made to make a half-pass, say, then he gets back to thinking and the rider gets a bit of training done…not whack it into submission…per the PPer’s justification.
I hope no owner here would let anybody like that touch their horse. It just might work with a normal halter and normal leadrope using traditional methods if done right. A sad clip for all the good NH’ers.
Poor horses - all done in the name of education. They need an advocate.
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PP’s biggest thing in the last few years has been Horsenality. This horse would be, per their defnitions, a Right-Brain Extrovert–spooky, explosive, needing to move their feet. At times, per Parelli, these horses are handled by escalating the situation until the horse runs out of adrenaline and just shuts down. Unfortunately, it doesn’t always work and you end up with a scared, panicky horse. That’s what happened here.[/QUOTE]
Seriously? Did you & I watch the same video? I saw a horse paying attention and trying awful hard and yet nothing not - one - thing he did was right with that blonde woman. She laid into him over and over and over again. “Run out of adrenaline”? No I think he just gave up even trying to be right for her. And when he quit trying she gave up as well.
Twice I have had people come to my barn to work their PP voodoo on my poor unsuspecting horses. My own horse was called what you called this horse. Shane is no ones fool. He is bomb proof(literally) and loving. He moves his feet in precision for showmanship at a WORLD level of competition. And that drove the Level 4 woman bonkers. I finally had to escort her away from my horse. Her arm waving rope twirling hand popping actions were starting to scare him - and NOTHING scares that horse. BUT he has never been ABUSED before! He still is not over it!
Then a level 2 what ever came out and wanted to meet the infamous Susie. Susie just stood there and never moved an muscle while this crazy woman tried to work her(work her over) Susie finally wore her out and the lady left in a huff unable to “make her point”.
There is NO defense for the behavior that person tormented that horse with what so ever! :no: Pathetic intimidation! :no:
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTB
… and the SLIGHTEST TRY should have been rewarded–again, another PP-ism.
No. This had been around a looooong time before PP.
You’re right, and I love how the PP’s love to claim that they started things-good training techniques that have been around forever!
BTW…welcome back LuvMyTB!:lol:
Next thing you know they gonna claim they invented the internet…
Nah - even they aren’t as crazy as Al Gore. 
The difference between NH trainers and politicians is that there actually are things that NH trainers won’t do. Not that LP’s video is proof of that. :rolleyes:
ROFLMAO!!!
I think they are way crazier than good ole Al though…
I could not watch that whole video, or read this whole thread- too long at this point- but I would really really like to wiggle wiggle smack her into the tree.
What an Effing ahole.
What a good idea. Preferably head-first, as a small crack in her skull might let some sense in. 
…in excess of 73 yanks on the lead in the 4 minutes or so of video, most of them savagely. That is brutal.
The link no longer seems to work.
Works for me.
[QUOTE=ESG;4724785]
And I thought I had seen the deepest depths to which the Peril-lies could sink. :no:
I invoke the COTH explosive diarrhea curse on LP, the owner, and all PP disciples, wherever they are.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
I say we remover HER left eye and then beat her with her magic halter. Meet aggression with aggression, right?
I wonder what that Arabian stallion that got so much recent press would do to Mrs. P if she yanked on his face and then summoned him just to smack him? I think I’d like to see a video of that “training session”.
And afterwards, she could sell her pants on ebay…
I think after that they would be a bio hazard…
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I wonder what that Arabian stallion that got so much recent press would do to Mrs. P if she yanked on his face and then summoned him just to smack him? I think I’d like to see a video of that “training session”.
And afterwards, she could sell her pants on ebay…[/QUOTE]
what arabian stallion, obviously I have been living under a rock…
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