Yeah, I am sitting on my hands right now…
There are just no words…
“Good clunk!” WTF?
Hmmmmm, maybe she ought to listen to this on Monday:
Might learn a thing or two about how to ‘train’ horses …
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That’s what I was thinking!
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Don’t forget that PP got the “good horseman of the year” award from the HSUS last year.:rolleyes:
This is one of the videos he was selling, to teach how to handle horses, humanely, I assume.:no:
Regarding Bluey posting another video (which I am glad was done for us all to see!): All that shows is the owner is clueless too. If that is an OTTB, surely he knows the word ‘back’ and most likely the horse also knows how to back up if asked nicely. (a pull back on the nosepart of the halter, with release for compliance) will get just about any horse to back up, with just a little bit of patience and practice. Also, a horse that has been raced or at least has traveled from farm to sale or track, could conceivably have been in a multi horse van in which it is necessary to back the horse into the stall in the van.
The halter is not even on correctly, is way too far down on the horse’s face, such that every violent back and forth swing of that rope is pulling on the cartilage of the poor horse’s nostrils. There is absolutely no excuse for treating a horse so violently, especially for such a prolonged period of time, just because the humans in question have no freaking clue how to handle a horse appropriately.
Anyone that thinks THIS is training, much less GOOD training, needs their head examined.
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Regarding Bluey posting another video: All that shows is the owner is clueless too. If that is an OTTB, surely he knows the word ‘back’ and most likely also knows that a pull back on the nosepart of the halter, with release for compliance will get a horse to back up. The halter is not even on correctly, is way too far down on the horse’s face, such that every violent back and forth swing of that rope is pulling on the cartilage of the poor horse’s nostrils.[/QUOTE]
Some complained that the first video being discussed here was not telling the whole story, that if we saw the part right before we would see why LP interfered there.
Someone accomodated by posting the minutes right before the first video, so we have more to go by.
Remember that both video parts are supposed to be from an instructional video for beginners in how to handle horses, the way I understand this.
Bluey, that is a good point, ‘Remember that both video parts are supposed to be from an instructional video for beginners in how to handle horses’, and that is what terrifies me, that people actually buy this type of thing and believe it is ‘correct’. It would be very interesting to know how many horses wind up in rescues or ‘kill pens’ because some clueless person, trying to follow the video’s clueless example, fries the poor horse’s mind beyond repair.
*headdesk *headdesk *headdesk
I know it’s been said, time-and-again on this thread, but my love of horses made me chime in.
First - from a training perspective, usually even with very BAD training, you can kinda figure out what they’re trying to achieve (even if it’s God-awful wrong) … I’m still not sure what her lesson plan was, what issue she was addressing (I’d say the horse shares this opinion).
What - the horse LOOKed somewhere? Gimme a break!
Give the HORSE a break - that didn’t happen. There was no “OK - give him a moment to calm down/collect his thoughts,” no opportunity to get a “Yes” response in the John Lyons tradition … no positive reinforcement at all!
As for the ‘client’ … we’ve all said, "I’d never let a trainer treat my horse like that."
Me too.
Somewhere a few pages back was a “Kool-aid” reference. You were more right than you think - it is exactly this perception of Parelli as Messiah that is the real poison!
Linda’s britches go to Ebay like the Shroud of Turin?
OK - I’m done. I could say more, but the language would get me booted out of here.
Everybody - give your horses some carrots and keep them away from Messianic wannabe’s!
Usually, if it feels wrong, it IS wrong!
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David Boggs isn’t someone I’d ever trust with a horse of mine, but he was a sacrificial lamb.
The BNTs figured if they tossed his carcass to the Great Unwashed, the hue and cry about the hard stance would go away.
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THIS!
As to the clip at issue - I concur wholeheartedly with Coreene’s one word description.
Well, whatever they were doing, the student was a heck of a lot better at it than the “master”.
I can’t believe she said…“Do you hear that clunk?! Good one. DO it again!”
If the guy had of the stick to point at the horse’s chest, he likely would have backed up.
NJR
whatever whoever that is is trying to do they are failing miserably. I have seen people do stupid shit when trying to teach a horse to lunge (that’s what I’m guessing she is trying to do) but what the hell was that.
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Those defending the video in the OP asked for the previous scene and someone provided it.
This is what happened, according to those that have that video, right before what was posted here already.
The initial video posted happened right after this, as LP decided to teach some more, this time hands on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thzc8lPaHaw
I will say that those that find all this acceptable should back off, sit on the side lines and really think about this way of handling horses.
It seems to me that they are habituated to seeing and being told that is the best way to train and, not knowing any better, they try to do just that, the results clearly to be seen here.:([/QUOTE]
:eek::eek: That horse is a saint and am I the only one who noticed the horse was just fine with the owner ?
If they tried this on humans, they would be looking at jail time. She starts off with saying, “When they are right brained, what can they do easily and stay right brained”. First of all, this whole right brained, left brained stuff has not been pinned down with absoulte certainity even in humans. Yes they know how it functions, but not enough to diagnose and cure as part of standard treatment for people. No way has it been studied in horses to an extent where you can offer it as standard science. But that is what she is doing-they are lucky it is with horses or they will be looking at charges.
That horse is a saint.
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Well, I say if you’re going to abuse a horse, do it right! If the halter was properly fitted the horse may have benefited less from the training. :yes: Idiots.
I will never understand how Linda P has ever deveoped a following.
And on the arabian stallion and LP’s $3500 britches after the stallion is done with her, now that would be worth paying for.
Because of who she married. If they divorced tomorrow I think that her fans would diminish by 90%.
It was the swatting about the face that did me in. WTF was she trying to accomplish there?? I have used the games for years just to mix up my ground work and have taken lessons with a couple of parelli instructors and have never seen a display like that. Completely pointless and I never did see where the horse “got” it! Idiot woman.
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Yeah–isn’t she the one that canme up with that stupid Horsenality thing?..next thing you know she is going to try to market the horse “Color wheel…” remember, from the 80’s…
The horsenality stuff is such garbage. The parelli-ites at my last barn used to spout that shit to explain their horses misbehavior. It was ended in one of them being very badly bitten when she failed to read the (obvious) body language of a horse that had enough lead rope wriggling and carrot stick flailing.
Yeah. On his blind side. Great way to establish trust and communication.
I agree the horse was responding better for the owner, making it even more nonsensical that Linda P should go on and on with what she was doing afterwards.
Really, really kind eye on that horse. I’d have happily taken him home, especially since he really didn’t have a problem that needed fixing, just needed some good ol’ common sense handling.
Color wheel?
Do I dare ask?
