is this really linda parelli?

[harvestmoon]

Wow. Poor horse. Watching that, I was just thinking, “WTF does she want???” He couldn’t do anything right.

She wanted him to look at her, and when he tilted his head in her direction, she totally missed it and started flinging the damn lead rope all over the place, essentially punishing him for doing what she wanted.

And the “clunk” thing in the second video? WTF??

I’m sitting here thinking I could probably have that horse backing pretty easy without all this weird rope flinging and drama. Light backward pressure on the lead rope, wait for a try, release pressure as soon as said try is offered. Rinse and repeat until it clicks and he realizes that light backward pressure on the lead rope means back. That’s how I do it, anyway…

And WHY do they stand so far away from the horse? Does he have cooties?

[Alagirl]

@harvestmoon;4728616

And WHY do they stand so far away from the horse? Does he have cooties?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

(if they get any closer he could actually connect ) :yes:

[sdlbredfan]

I just thought of something else weird. I was under the impression that, if one is going to use a lead rope wiggle, that it is supposed to be just that, a wiggle. No one gave the horse a chance to respond to a polite request, they were offering violence toward the horse from the beginning. From the horse’s standpoint, what both humans did was shout at him through their body language and shanking, and gave him no clear instructions. I agree that this horse is a saint. He tried so hard to guess what the bleep the humans really wanted, offering one possible behavior ‘answer’ after another. I hope the person who knows the owner shares all this of thread topic with that person, as a learning opportunity, and to encourage that person to run the opposite direction from LP, not subject himself or his horse to that abuse ever again.

[katarine]

So I watched the owner-handling-video.

Here’s what is so classicly WRONG with it.

All you need is a hint of try.

That horse took many, many tiny steps backwards - might have only been 2" but it was what they wanted…and NEVER got a reward.

And, you should always start with an invitation of a wiggle on that rope, a little hello sweetness could I ask you to take a step back? And when they don’t get it, you slowly amp up the wiggle, and if they nod off lol yeah, you wake them up…but when they are looking and trying my GOD you dial it down and breathe and listen and HELP them when they TRY.

Pisses me right off. No excuse for that, not in front of handlebar’s wife. What a douchebag.

what they are doing is akin to foreplay with a fork. Some things just don’t work very well.

[sdlbredfan]

Katarine, I love the way you write! Boy did you nail it, much more eloquently than I did.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=sdlbredfan;4728646]
I just thought of something else weird. I was under the impression that, if one is going to use a lead rope wiggle, that it is supposed to be just that, a wiggle. No one gave the horse a chance to respond to a polite request, they were offering violence toward the horse from the beginning. From the horse’s standpoint, what both humans did was shout at him through their body language and shanking, and gave him no clear instructions. I agree that this horse is a saint. He tried so hard to guess what the bleep the humans really wanted, offering one possible behavior ‘answer’ after another. I hope the person who knows the owner shares all this of thread topic with that person, as a learning opportunity, and to encourage that person to run the opposite direction from LP, not subject himself or his horse to that abuse.[/QUOTE]

There is not much hope for the true believers, they are brainwashed to think like their system teaches.

They are “in the know” and think what is going in those videos is all part of a plan that excuses all that little stuff there, like the horse objecting to being treated like that.

[shalomypony]

Uh,sorry but when my boy is nervous and wants to look around a bit I let him look around and check it out…yikes!!:eek:

[Crooked_Horse]

[QUOTE=alteringwego;4722960]
Let me preface this by saying that I am not a Parelli follower or any other NH guru of the moment, gaining fame by some elaborate marketing scheme.

But… after reading the comments here I was expecting some horrible beating with a carrot stick or whacking him on the head in an abusive fashion. Instead, I saw a very dull, distracted horse with no respect for his handler, surroundings, or her space. LP did follow through with her ‘games’/logic of getting the horse to move away from her with as little force as possible. This horse was too distracted and that becomes dangerous. Especially when this horse doesn’t even bother to look at his handler. And I’m not opposed to the hand smacking (I think she was whacking him behind the jaw on the very fleshy area- doesn’t hurt the horse and obviously he isn’t too concerned by it or he would have reacted- he barely moves.
Horses like this are frustrating and dangerous, even more so undersaddle.
I’m not saying that I totally agree with what she’s doing but I’m not going to criticize her harshly.[/QUOTE]

Are you high?

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

…oh…is that what they were trying to do? Get the horse to back up?

Is LP that incapable she couldn’t accomplish this in one or two gentle steps? No wonder she doesn’t try to teach people to ride, based on this…can you imagine the footage she’d need just to get the horse to the mounting block, much less to have the horse stand there?

[Foxtrot_s]

I could just cry. They showed no understanding that that horse had probaly had conventional training and while being whacked on the but was trying to go around her (on a 3’ length of rope.) as in conventional lunging.

Good post - whoever suggested that the person who knew the horse give the owner this thread to read.

Poor, poor one-eyed intelligent nice guy.

[Equilibrium]

I just watched the video taken before the video. Good lord, what good does any horse learn out of that crap? I can get my horses to stand, as I’m sure everyone else on this board can, without having to wiggle a rope in their faces and have them endlessly back up. Really is mind boggling.

I’ve read somewhere else too where it seems people think ALL racehorses have no respect for space and grew up with nobody teaching them right and wrong. Really, just getting sick of hearing that malarky. I raise every baby to have a sense of my personal space be it racehorse or sporthorse. It’s not difficult and usually the TB’s pick up better and are more respectful than their half-bred counterparts. I take my two just gelded Friday geldings to the field together on ropes. At the gate we have to stop while I open said gate. Horse to my right has to back up with the touch of a finger. Other guy has to stand still. Then in they go. They have always been this respectful and mindful of what you want and know what my space is. I didn’t geld them because they had behavioral issues, they were gelded because they aren’t stallion prospects.

I really don’t get this wiggling rope and also this need to always be at the end of said rope. First thing I always learned was to stay close to the horse so in case something does happen you have them. These Parelli people have had to have been on the receiving end of some bad cow kicks always being at the end of the rope annoying their horses.

Don’t know and don’t see the point.

Terri

[Hip]

[QUOTE=Daydream Believer;4722529]
Well…I did not find it horribly disturbing from an animal welfare point of view but I did find it frustrating to watch as it was horribly ineffective and sloppy and poor training in general. Personally, I really hate all the rope swinging and wiggling crap and jerking. I’ve had to sit a few horses on their butts before also but you make a correction, as sharp as necessary and get it over with. That was carried out forever and totally ineffective from what I could see.

I would have probably put him to work on a circle, yielding the hindquarters, backing, etc…had a dressage whip or handy stick and would have used that on his shoulder to keep him out of my space and got him focused back on me via making him move and listen to my aids. He was practically walking all over her and all she did was jiggle the rope around and jerk the snot out of him.[/QUOTE]

I can’t watch the whole vid due to something with the site, not a slow connection but the above is how I see it. I’ve never understood this manner of ‘training’.

[Hip]

Never mind about my post. I was wondering if she was trying to do what the old-timers called ‘whip training’ but got to watch a few more seconds and this ain’t it. She doesn’t have a clue, does she?? Also, watch the horse and handler in the background…

Also, it’s a wonder the horse doesn’t just part her hair, isn’t it??

[GotGait]

That was appalling. Video should be titled “How to make your horse head shy in 5 easy steps.” SHANK SHANK SHANK WHACK WHACK
Of course, the Kool-aid drinkers will explain it away and go buy a $4000 Pepperoni saddle so they can feel good while they look at it sitting on the saddle rack.

Ah I was right: “If you were savvy club members and Parelli students you would understand.”

[gloriginger]

this is how it is suppose to look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDF16_NbNCU

and I think this says it best, as it should because he was the best:

The thing that I am trying to bring out here is this feel and timing. I used to say all there is to it is feel, timing and balance. I still can’t improve on those three words, but there is so much that goes on within that.
Tom Dorrance

[monstrpony]

[QUOTE=katarine;4728653]
what they are doing is akin to foreplay with a fork. Some things just don’t work very well.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Someone needs to adopt this as a sig line. It just sums up the whole thing so very well.

[Ware_Whip]

How anyone can watch this, and not be upset by it, is beyond me.

Funny how some PP fans, who will take up for them on OBs , who post here are strangely quiet on CoTH

Love how the smart folks here just do not buy or drink this toxic kool aide.

[katarine]

Or here is an example of calmly working with a young horse, in a rope halter. Notice the quiet way he lets the horse ‘run into his hand’ when the horse tries to crowd him with his head. Then notice in the second the use of a lariat to teach the horse about a bump of a rider’s legs is a go forward cue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ZA4Emcxzd_0&feature=related

When it’s done right, it’s not very exciting to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=761f7kbsLDY&feature=related

The long leads are nice b/c you have so much room to teach so much about space, respect for pressure, body control and lightness. Notice when the filly needs space to think, he has the line available to let her do that.

[Thomas_1]

Having seen all that “clunking” and irritating the heck out of the horse by swirling a rope around under it’s face I’ve now come to understand why the parelli trained horse that I own was so shit scared of anything that came underneath his chin and why he lifted his head all the time.

Two years on and he’s a lot better than he was but he’s still pretty tricky about ropes and headcollars and when you go underneath his chin to do anything with him.

Aside from having a nauseating droning voice and a perpetual desire for adulation and recognition, she’s nothing else going for her.

Why on earth anyone would want to put a horse through that is beyond me!

[equineartworks]

I didn’t make it far. Turns my stomach.

I’d love 30 seconds in a round pen with that witch. No carrot stick required…

How does the HSUS feel about this? :rolleyes: I bet it is ok since the money comes in right?