is this really linda parelli?

[danceronice]

[QUOTE=katarine;4730401]
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PS- I wish Ray’s widow would sue PP for defamation of character. Ray was no angel and yes, he made mistakes and misteps. But his mistakes were training THROUGH a stranger on their horse. Linda stepped in and failed that horse one on one. Epic fail. What a frickin douchebag holier than thoudh DVD shillin SOW.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, you can’t sue for defamation unless you’re alive to be defamed, so his widow couldn’t sue on his behalf. (If you could, half the Titanic’s crew’s descendants could have sued James Cameron, and I think the Murdoch family tried anyway.) If relicts/descendants could sue, everyone from Xenophon on down could probably go after the Parellis.

[Sku]

@Bluey;4722651

I know some ranch horses that would have put up with that about 30 seconds and she would have had a lapful of very mad horse on top of her.:eek:

Exactly. I’m just thinking of one of the mares my old trainer had. That mare made you work for her respect. If you did that to her, even once, she would literally mow you down and wouldn’t stop. You would have needed to be rescued.

This video just makes me so sad. To my (inexperienced) eyes, it looks like the horse starts out thinking he should lunge. The woman doesn’t want him to lunge, she wants his constant attention on her. She wants him to automatically move from her space when she moves towards him. Every time he doesn’t do either (looks away from her), she shanks him, hard.

The poor horse is completely confused, and with every reprimand (ie. the entire freaking video) he gets more and more anxious and scared. He tries to please her, but he doesn’t know what she wants. :no:

[fburton]

[QUOTE=Sku;4730695]
The poor horse is completely confused, and with every reprimand (ie. the entire freaking video) he gets more and more anxious and scared. He tries to please her, but he doesn’t know what she wants. :no:[/QUOTE]
That’s the problem with punishment-based training. Reprimands are fine for telling the horse what not to do, but they’re no help at all for conveying to the horse what you do want him to do!

It was a shambolic display, imo - a classic demonstration of “how not to train”. What saddens me even more, though, is discovering how readily the brand supporters see dominance where there is simply confusion. It’s a great way to abdicate responsibility though…

Apparently it is possible to muddle through to some kind of result in spite of such relentless insensitivity and poor timing. That horses learn anything useful from being hectored in this way is a testament to their adaptability and forgiving nature.

I think HSUS are grossly deluded if they regard the sort of rubbishy handling depicted here as “humane”.

[CowgirlDressage]

It said in the comments below the video that it was indeed Linda Parelli, and that it was video from one of their first series. The horse was also said to be blind in one eye, which just makes this all the more awful and sad.

[egontoast]

The horse was also said to be blind in one eye, .

There’s no doubt about that. The eye is gone. The hollow socket can be seen clearly in the videos.

[Foxtrot_s]

I wish somebody would send this whole thread to LP to show her how disrespected she is – ah, but then COTH would get a Cease and Desist letter and that would cramp our style.

How on earth do they keep getting more and more of a cult following with this kind of horse treatment. She has a temper, that one.

[jn1193]

Flame suit on

I wasn’t going to get involved with this, and I am NOT going to defend Linda Parelli here. I am not a Parelli-ite by the stretch of anyone’s imagination.

BUT… some of these posts are a classic case of COTH posters making comments about a situation in isolation from a video several years old without knowing the full story of this horse.

I do.

I know this horse and his owner very well. The owner rescued this horse from a killer pen. He was already blind in the one eye and was a basket case - terrified, skinny, wormy, beaten and about to be shipped to his death. After years of patience and love, he is quiet and rideable. He is fat and shiny (as anyone CAN see in the video.) He is happy in his home. He has buddies. He is well taken care of in a home for life with big fields of grass. He is loved. He is cherished. And HE loves HIS life.

Believe it.

Whatever criticism you have of LP’s methods, this owner was trying to help his horse by getting training for him. Many, many people would have left him in the killer pen, but this owner saw something in the horse and gave him a wonderful life.

I’ll put MY name, and MY professional reputation to my statements about this horse and this owner.

Jane Nordstrom

[amastrike]

[QUOTE=jn1193;4731910]

I know this horse and his owner very well. The owner rescued this horse from a killer pen. He was already blind in the one eye and was a basket case - terrified, skinny, wormy, beaten and about to be shipped to his death. After years of patience and love, he is quiet and rideable. He is fat and shiny (as anyone CAN see in the video.) He is happy in his home. He has buddies. He is well taken care of in a home for life with big fields of grass. He is loved. He is cherished. And HE loves HIS life.[/QUOTE]

So beating him AGAIN as a training method is supposed to be helpful???

[cu.at.x]

so…?

I’m happy to hear the happy back-story on the horse, but how does that make the ABUSE we saw in the video any more excusable?

[tkhawk]

Good for the horse. But I doubt it is because what he learned from the angry blonde chick. The PPs have bashed dressage, project their ways and methods to be some sort of utopian horsemanship that is way above the rest of us. Then you see this video-the thing that surprised me was that it was a training video, not a candid camera sort of thing-and you go? That is no way to treat a horse that really was not doing anything. See the first part that Bluey posted, the horse was standing there quietly grazing and actually was way better with the owner. It may have been a bit annoyed, but body language shows it is not scared and then this Guru takes over and the horse is freaking out and gets hit? I still don’t get what it did to deserve that. An angry mare and the outcome might be quite different for the owner.

[sketcher]

[QUOTE=jn1193;4731910]

Whatever criticism you have of LP’s methods, this owner was trying to help his horse by getting training for him. Many, many people would have left him in the killer pen, but this owner saw something in the horse and gave him a wonderful life.

I’ll put MY name, and MY professional reputation to my statements about this horse and this owner.

Jane Nordstrom[/QUOTE]

And?

I’m not really hearing people judging the owner. Most people comment that the owner did far better with the excersize than LP herself.

Even people who state they would have smacked her aside the head if it were their horse would in admit that in reality, if a BNT had their horse and were working with them, they might be momentarily paralyzed into inaction or willing to wait and see where it was going if it were a problem horse…but later, when they had processed the event, there would be no way the horse was going back for more of the same.

[Graymaresrule]

I would LOVE to introduce LP to a certain pony…

[Huntertwo]

@jn1193;4731910

And HE loves HIS life.

Yeah, looking at the video he sure looks like he is loving his life…:rolleyes:

[MassageLady]

“Only 36,000 people lost their jobs last month, and that is a good thing” -
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid 3/5/10

maybe he should be 36,001 and see if he feels the same way!:lol:

[Arathita]

[QUOTE=jn1193;4731910]
I wasn’t going to get involved with this, and I am NOT going to defend Linda Parelli here. I am not a Parelli-ite by the stretch of anyone’s imagination.

BUT… some of these posts are a classic case of COTH posters making comments about a situation in isolation from a video several years old without knowing the full story of this horse.

I do.

Whatever criticism you have of LP’s methods, this owner was trying to help his horse by getting training for him. Many, many people would have left him in the killer pen, but this owner saw something in the horse and gave him a wonderful life.

Jane Nordstrom[/QUOTE]

Jane, Do you think the horse was being trained correctly or treated fairly in this video? It does not matter what happened a second before the video starts. The posts discuss what is happening during the film, not the horse’s history or how nice the owner is. I would not allow this person to influence my horses.

[J-Lu]

Well, I’m no Parelli expert but it looks to me like she wants the horse to stop and look at her. The time he stopped and looked at her, she slunk her shoulders and looked down (the reward?). So he looked around and she started yanking at his face again.

So she’s yanking him repeatedly in the face every time he merely looks at the horses and people in the surrounding areas with his one eye. i guess he is supposed to either stare her down or get lost in her eyes…both of which come so natural to a horse who has one eye and was loved so much that he was en route to the slaughterhouse.

People pay money for this kind of training? If I were his owner or a simply bystander I’d be raising hell in the background. If I had no heart, I’d be rich.

[sdlbredfan]

Regarding the misguided comments in message 306, ‘After years of patience and love’ - sure as heck did not get any in that video and 'this owner was trying to help his horse by getting training for him…I’ll put MY name, and MY professional reputation to my statements about this horse and this owner. ’ if you are a trainer and great friend of the owner, why the heck didn’t you do the training that was needed, rather than allow that poor horse to be so abused by LP??? Frankly, by stating that you approve of what was done to this horse, I have to question your training philosophy somewhat.

[4xhoof]

If you go to the parelli site, you can find an email (usa@parelli.com). I emailed stating my concern about the video and the training method which showed poor communication, poor timing and poor training. A person will respond with the ‘official parelli statement in response to the video.’

The response was exactly what I expected: dangerous horse, needed leadership to keep horse and owner safe, etc, etc…:no:

It would be refreshing if such trainers, when showing something that is not deamed ‘good’ by the majority of horse owners, would admit that there were flaws with their method and that they are always learning and improving. I am hoping this is why WAZ joined them, to help the horses.

[Alagirl]

@4xhoof;4732547

If you go to the parelli site, you can find an email (usa@parelli.com). I emailed stating my concern about the video and the training method which showed poor communication, poor timing and poor training. A person will respond with the ‘official parelli statement in response to the video.’

The response was exactly what I expected: dangerous horse, needed leadership to keep horse and owner safe, etc, etc…:no:

It would be refreshing if such trainers, when showing something that is not deamed ‘good’ by the majority of horse owners, would admit that there were flaws with their method and that they are always learning and improving. I am hoping this is why WAZ joined them, to help the horses.

Ohhhh DANGEROUS horse…:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Bluey]

What the Parelli practitioners here are very carefully not telling is that this is the way all horses are taught those games, this is not an isolated incident.

In their clinics, demonstrations, on RFD-TV, on youtube, you can find people teaching horses the seven games just like that one there, some with less force, others similar to that one.

I have seen horses dragging the clinician across the arena, when he was trying to teach a clinic goer’s horse some of those games like that one.

Honestly, those of us that are not so habituated to that being the normal way to handle horses, because that is what they teach and have protested it, at least I was told it was because this way is ok for beginners, finer ways of handling will come with experience.:no:

I say, if you can’t find techniques to teach without also teaching horses to resist you so badly and confuse them, you really should keep looking for a better way, not make videos of that.