To those inclined to defend LP’s actions in the video, try watching what’s happening as if it were anyone but LP. Imagine instead that the handler is some (gasp!) dressage trainer.
Seriously, the only thing that makes what happened okay to the Pepperonistas is that Linda did it.
Exactly
At no time did the horse receive a clear to him (all that matters to the horse, the horse has not read the damn PP manual or whatever)
Ahhh…we come to the real root of the problem.
Someone get that horse a VISA card!
NJR
I have done the original level one in it’s entirety so I, for one, do NOT need further research. I understand how the program is supposed to work as would anyone with an ounce of horse sense. Linda looks like an asshat and a piss poor trainer to boot because of how she treated that horse. That horse learned NOTHING during the moment in time caught on the video. I understand that you may not understand what you were watching through those kool-aid colored glasses, but nothing good happened for that horse in those minutes. I am not sure why I am even defending my position here. Arguing with those who are pro-parelli is like arguing for shoes with a barefooter!!:lol:
Wendyg, sorry to say, if all you have ever learned about horses is from the Parellis, you haven’t learned squat. Folks on this discussion know horses, and how to handle them. Shoot, if we’d have known we could make such a profit scamming innocents such as yourself, well, maybe I for one wouldn’t be at a desk for 40 hours a week! Except that one of my many flaws, I’m told, is being too honest.
As to the points you raise, enumerated above:
When you take a one eyed horse who might be concerned with his surroundings, and start slapping him on his blind side, all you do is verify in his mind that he is absolutely right to be concerned.
Ah, yes, here is the problem. Linda clearly DID NOT KNOW HOW to deal with the behavior. She got paid anyway.
No, what was ruling his brain was complete and utter confusion. From his point of view, with his one eye, he is just trying to process things. Suddenly an apparent madwoman starts punishing him for that, and he has no way to figure out what the punishment is for, and what the right answer is to make the punishment stop.
Yes, indeed, sometimes it does. Unfortunately, Linda’s chosen approach was completely wrong, and utterly and completely incompetent.
Complete BS. You don’t need to ‘match a horse’s energy.’ In fact, that is usually exactly the wrong thing to do. Example: You have a panicked runaway horse you are riding- ‘matching energy’ by hauling on the reins gets you NOTHING but a sore back and sore arms and a faster horse. You relax your body, let the reins go loose, the horse responds in kind, you methodically down shift him to a halt. Finesse, not force.
No, teaching your horse to back up from a distance is a cute trick for people who are afraid of horses. My horses will back from anywhere, whether I am mounted or on the ground, with just a verbal cue if I so desire, or a flick of the lead rope if I so desire, or a light touch of a finger on his chest if I so desire. Good training is all you need.
Would you consider 53 years of experience with horses to be ‘sufficient research?’ Do you think it is fair for incompetent people to collect fees for so called professional expertise?
I’ve just given you more sound advice for free than you have ever gotten or will get from the ‘Savvy Club.’
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This horse was becoming nervous about his surroundings and was ignoring the humans around him. He was barging into the personal space of the handler. Linda needed to nip this behavior in the bud before it got too extreme. If she was handeling this horse from the beginning she would have put out these sparks earlier and she would have had to do less. This was not the case here. [/QUOTE]
Sorry Wendyg, but I call “shenanigans”. Otherwise known as “BS”. I’ve seen the vid and I’ve seen the precursor. I never saw the horse barging into personal space and I didn’t see any dangerous behavior. I saw a horse trying to understand what the heck was being asked of him, a little bit of my newly one eyed and back to work brain needs to take it all in, and every answer was met with a “WRONG!!!”. If what this horse is doing is considered dangerous by the P contingent, I don’t know what they are doing messing with equines.
God forbid you take the very essence of a horse out of the animal. Horses, as we all know, are fight or flight animals. I saw neither fight nor flight in either video. I saw a horse smarter than his handler, trying to figure out what in the world she wanted from him. But by golly that one eyed horse tried to find it. Over and over. And over. He’s a smart and savvy fellow.
The saddest part is that the handler didn’t know the answer to the question she was posing. Oops, I’m sorry. ALLEGEDLY didn’t know the answer. Because there was no answer.
She was having a bit of a snit. Listen to her throat clearing. The reason I know what that sound means? I do it when my inlaws are in my house and I want to come unglued and can’t. I think folks can try to defend this until they are blue in the face, but the writing is on the wall. It’s on video. Whoever made The Emperor’s New Clothes reference was spot on.
Sad. Thankfully the horse seems to be smart and sound enough of mind and able to move on from a day of “WTH?”.
You know, I don’t know how I managed to keep my horse for 12 years without going through the Parelli program to make sure we were doing it right.
:eek: I am in UTTER shock!! :eek:
How did you ever manage!!
[QUOTE=DressageGeek “Ribbon Ho”;4743076]
You know, I don’t know how I managed to keep my horse for 12 years without going through the Parelli program to make sure we were doing it right.[/QUOTE]
:eek:GASP:eek:
Poor, misguided horse. . .must be suffering from serious identity issues, not ever knowing what his “horsenality” is, never having a Carrot Stick waggled in his face. . .and don’t tell me you’ve never jumped over picnic tables or cow-spotted barrels bareback?
Shame on you. Shame on all of us. . .:lol:
Let’s meet up at Candy Mountain!
God no. Not candy mountain.
Can I have LP’s job? I got me book learnin’, and horse-womb-man-ship trainin’. I know how to snap a belt and wave thingies around.
But why, oh why didn’t she get on her hands and knees so that pony would know that she was like, um, a horse?
They needed a pink blanket, too. Very bad taste.
Well, um, how do you know you are? Have you videotaped it for youtube? Otherwise, you’ll never know.
I mean, what color is your saddlepad?
Put that beverage down and slowly back away!!
Won’t it get warm?
I think it’s conterminated, grab a fresh one from the cooler! :yes:
Hot sensitive horses you don’t match energy. You remain calm and dial them a few notches down. Once you get the hang of it, it is actually fun. Dial up or down your energy and you can see the shift in the horse-under saddle or just doing round pen works. No need for what LP did.
That is the fun of riding a sensitive horse, you relax and don’t have to do a lot of work. If they blow up, you become calmer and more centered in yourself, instead of being caught up in their energy and get them through it. The only time you wan’t to throw energy at a wound up horse, is if you wan’t to wind it up even further. This does happen -eg like the halter Arab classes, where the crazy look is in vogue. But even they know what they are doing. I thought this was common knowledge for folks who deal with hot horses.
See I have had a bad day myself. I started as an adult and wen’t through fear and when I started with horses, I still had a bad temper. Then I got my mare and she had a worse temper than me!:winkgrin: One of us had to learn to be the calm one and it was not going to be her and as I learned to be calm and work from that quite space within, she clamed down too. If someone took a video of that bad day, I would be ashamed of myself. But in this case, they are showing it to be an example of how things are supposed to be and as a how to manual for beginners to train horses!
Bingo Tkhawk! If you’ve got a hot, nervous one the last thing you want to do is get all frantic and make them think “ZOMG!! There is something to be freaked out about… look at you flapping around like meth head… so where is it, where is it?!”
Those are the ones you zen out with. My hot tomale had a flashback to his uberhot days in the middle of a jump school today… he started his head flipping Paso Fino impression. So I stared off into the distance, starting whistling Strangers in the Night (he loves that one), zenned out and let him fight with himself for a few strides and then refocused between his ears and asked him to do a little work again. If I’d started kerflopping all over him, the day would’ve ended badly! There must be some type of anti-common sense juice in the Drool Aid.
Hmmm, maybe I should create some Zen Horsemanship packages. Like that name… great marketability. I’ll share the secret different tunes to whistle in different situations and phases. Anyone want in?
How did I survive riding since I was six (going on 25 years now) wihtout knowing my horses’ Horsinalities or realizing my crazy H/J trainer was right, when they were nervous whaling on them was the right answer? Oh, LP would probably say she did it wrong–first, she was an eeevil hunter person, not a ‘natural horseman’, and second she only would slap them on the flank and shoulder, from arm’s length away! She should have put them on the longe line but instead of longing she should have bashed them in the head with the chain! That would have made them SO much calmer!
Only not. Then instead of a nervous horse and rider, she’d have had a nervous horse and rider with the horse doing his best giraffe impression.
My horse was having a nervous day today (cold, rain, wind.) When he did what I wanted, I relaxed and stopped the cue and he knew ‘oh, that was what crazy monkey on my back wanted.’ I didn’t get in his face to ‘match his energy’. Of course I was actually on his back at the time.
Can we buy it for 99 cents on iTunes?
More seriously, that is really the LP person of NHM fame? I’ve never seen her. Bought one NHM book when I was living overseas and the only HR stuff I could find was what I could order on Amazon. Bought one PP book, read it, and frankly couldn’t understand a word of it. There were all kinds of CAPITOL LETTERS SHOUTING, and bold letters underscoring. I deal with non-native English all the time, but that book had me confused.
But I don’t need to read a book to see that the video display is crappy work with a horse.
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