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is this really linda parelli?

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#61

Let me preface this by saying that I am not a Parelli follower or any other NH guru of the moment, gaining fame by some elaborate marketing scheme.

But… after reading the comments here I was expecting some horrible beating with a carrot stick or whacking him on the head in an abusive fashion. Instead, I saw a very dull, distracted horse with no respect for his handler, surroundings, or her space. LP did follow through with her ‘games’/logic of getting the horse to move away from her with as little force as possible. This horse was too distracted and that becomes dangerous. Especially when this horse doesn’t even bother to look at his handler. And I’m not opposed to the hand smacking (I think she was whacking him behind the jaw on the very fleshy area- doesn’t hurt the horse and obviously he isn’t too concerned by it or he would have reacted- he barely moves.
Horses like this are frustrating and dangerous, even more so undersaddle.
I’m not saying that I totally agree with what she’s doing but I’m not going to criticize her harshly.

#62

:frowning: I don’t think any of us could have stood aside and watched someone do that to a horse. What the heck is the owner thinking?! Hey, go stand near that tree so that I can beat the ever loving snot out of your horse?!!!

#63

[QUOTE=lcw579;4722603]
This is how I felt too.

Was I the only one hoping that the horse would rear and land on her?[/QUOTE]

Nope, you definitely weren’t the only one. The video made me sick. :no:

#64

[QUOTE=Petstorejunkie;4722963]
:frowning: I don’t think any of us could have stood aside and watched someone do that to a horse. What the heck is the owner thinking?! Hey, go stand near that tree so that I can beat the ever loving snot out of your horse?!!![/QUOTE]

That’s what I was thinking! I’ve had trainers hop on my horse if I was having issues communicating what I was asking for but not “step aside so I can smack your horse around”

It may not be abuse, she wasn’t hitting him to the point where he’d bleed or anything but it’s defiantly not good training IMO

#65

I couldn’t even finish the video. The poor horse is obviously confused and trying to do what she wants, and she persists in going after it. She is lucky it was so forgiving of her…my horse would have retaliated by that point.

#66

Yup, she was most definitely one angry lady.
Looked like she was about to p*** herself.
Makes you wonder about those $5%000.00 breeches of hers on E-Bay.
If the student doesn’t “get” what the teacher is trying to teach him, the smarter of the pair is supposed to break it down into smaller, more understandable steps, not have a hissy fit!

Oh. I guess that DID happen. The smarter of the pair broke it down into the smallest step of absolute avoidance.

NJR

#67

[QUOTE=dwblover;4722700]
I think I’d REALLY like to tie that lead rope to the back of her little blonde ponytail and let her continue thrashing about!!! [/QUOTE]

dwblover, I was thinking the same thing. Also that they (the P’ees) should title this “How to teach a horse to never want to go forward again.”

#68

Alterinwego…that horse was not disrespecting her space. He has one eye. Missing the other. He’s acting like every other one eyed horse I’ve ever known. Raised head, looking around. A one eyed horse is going to look around. The horse can’t look at his handler in a normal fashion, he has to do it in his own way. many times that’s raising the head so it can watch both it’s surroundings and the handler. Ya know, since it doesn’t have a second eye.

As for moving the horse away with as little force as possible? :eek: I can use a hella lot less than that. Like my voice. And yep, not too hard to train that into even a looky horse in short order.
If not the voice, backed up by voice again, my body language and a nudge. And it’s trained in, not scared into the horse.
And I don’t even have my own marketing team. A marketing team that brags how wonderful and non-aggressive they are. That’s trying to train through frustration in that video.

#69

It was mentally abusive, more so than physically. I would never, ever let someone treat my horse that way. I would have a hard time not using the same method on them just to prove a point. Alterinwego, honestly that did nothing for the horse but make him lose respect for people. Her actions were so contradictory that I couldn’t figure out what she wanted. That is abusive.
If that would have been a Trakehner, she would have been picking teeth out of her forehead.

#70

so not a good look for Little Miss Sunshine…

I think the most blatant show of I-have-no-idea-what-I’m-doing-here is that, with all that yanking, rope smacking, face wapping and get in yer facein’, she never gave the horse moments to think it through, respond or make an honest mistake. this is “training” (for lack of a better word) with trial by fire. The horse is guessing like crazy, obviously distracted by his surroundings and has no idea what her right answer should be. Having studied these morons from afar (only so I could see a koolaid drinker at 40 paces) I understand the theory of get the horse focused on handler, no matter the distraction. But this avenue to a goal is about as messy as it gets. She should stick to bareback breech sweating…

#71

Note to self. Thanks. Nice you let us know this about you.

#72

If someone did that to my hourse, I’d step up, take the lead rope from them, and whap her in the face with it. Over and over, walking forward and chasing her down as she backed up. You’d have to call the cops to get me off her.

She’s a f***kn freak of nature. It would be karma if she was struck and killed by a horse.

II forwarded this to my trainer. Just so she has it for her data files. I wonder if anyone has sent this to WAZ yet?

#73

Altering I agree with Misty. I don’t feel what she did was abuse in and of itself, if she had not done it repeatedly, and angrily, with ABSOLUTELY no progress whatsoever. Just because you have a training method you think works, doesn’t mean it works on every horse and in every situation. It also doesn’t excuse the obvious pissy, grumpy hissy fit she was having. Unless there is some dangerous, bad behavior we missed at the beginning of the video, it seems like she started out picking a fight, not having a conversation or making a request. Her “training” was having no effect on the horse other than to confuse him and frustrate him. I never saw him “get it” or try and go along with her - she didn’t even seem to know what she wanted other than for him to not do what he was doing at the exact moment. If I remember correctly I saw her near the end tell him good boy and then almost immediately smack him in the head or yank on his head again, almost before the words were fully out of her mouth. Sorry, I am not willing to watch it again to find out for sure.

#74

Look up Moran in the dictionary and you’ll see Pat and Linda’s cheshire cat grinning faces under the word.

Look up Sucker…and you’ll see a gaggle of middle aged women, standing with carrot sticks…but their horses won’t be seen, because they have to be a Level 1,101 Parelli horse to stand for the picture.

Ever watch his show on RFD??? It’s comical at best. He talks about himself in 3rd person (like watching a Seinfield epsiode) and many times he and Linda will be sitting in front of their big screen TV, analyzing the video for the audience…“Up, wait, Pat…did you see that horse start to relax…RIGHT THERE”…and then there was the time that Mr. Parelli launched into the big…“DressAge horses are all spooky because the riders have them on a short rein.” :lol: Really??? I had no idea.

#75

Douchebag. :dead:

#76

Hogwash. That’s a one eyed horse, left eye gone just like my late great OTTB, concerned about his surroundings, wondering what the h*ll the person on the other end of the lead wants. Person on other end of lead should let the bloomin’ horse have a look and then, be a leader- tell the horse all is well and let’s get on with life.

And the person on the end of the lead, whoever it was, was totally clueless and out of communication with the horse. I wouldn’t want that person anywhere near a horse of mine.

#77

I figured maybe you were all just piling on the bandwagon…:wink:

But she really does lack timing and feel! Her body position is too random for the horse to understand, and she doesn’t reward his trying (to back off, or to stand).

She’s making it way too complicated by trying to get him to back off, stand still AND look at her all at once. He needs to just do one of those at a time, and be rewarded in between. The attention to her would come naturally if she only asked him to back off, for example, without then continuing the cue, changing its meaning to stand still, then changing its meaning to look at me. A horse can’t comprehend three different meanings on the same cue, especially when the cue is clearly brand new to him.

It’s her messy presentation that is leaving the poor horse baffled. Oh well. A pity.

#78

Yes, that’s LP. Clip is from one of the circa 2007 “Level One” training DVDs – and yep, the PPs sell lead ropes with honking big clips to get that crunch on the jaw.

#79

Cues? What cues? All I saw was a flailing mess of b*tch.

#80

If anyone handled my horse like that for 5 seconds, I would stick a carrot stick where the sun don’t shine.

I am so angry I’m sputtering. What a clueless moron. There was not one clear ask in the entire session.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

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