is this really linda parelli?

[Seal_Harbor]

I love that these people, don’t even understand how a horse SEES! A horse with one eye sees only half its world, a prey animal, with no binocular vision, and only one sided monocular vision - is going to hold its head differently to keep that one eye on all its surroundings.

They don’t even understand the physical workings of the beast they claim to tame.

Had she done that bullshit with my horse she would have been on the ground, and the horse wouldn’t have done it… I can’t believe people pay money for this garbage.

[ThreeFigs]

Well, well, well! What an enlightening little film THAT was!!!

I’d like to forward it to the people who were celebrating the Parelli’s involvement with the “rollkur petition”. Hypocrites.

[Thomas_1]

^ You should!

[Equilibrium]

[QUOTE=alteringwego;4722960]
Let me preface this by saying that I am not a Parelli follower or any other NH guru of the moment, gaining fame by some elaborate marketing scheme.

But… after reading the comments here I was expecting some horrible beating with a carrot stick or whacking him on the head in an abusive fashion. Instead, I saw a very dull, distracted horse with no respect for his handler, surroundings, or her space. LP did follow through with her ‘games’/logic of getting the horse to move away from her with as little force as possible. This horse was too distracted and that becomes dangerous. Especially when this horse doesn’t even bother to look at his handler. And I’m not opposed to the hand smacking (I think she was whacking him behind the jaw on the very fleshy area- doesn’t hurt the horse and obviously he isn’t too concerned by it or he would have reacted- he barely moves.
Horses like this are frustrating and dangerous, even more so undersaddle.
I’m not saying that I totally agree with what she’s doing but I’m not going to criticize her harshly.[/QUOTE]

Well then guess what? Go back to basics. Maybe this horse can’t handle being lunged in an open space. Get him to a round pen or arena where is attention could be focused on his handler. Then try the open space again when the horse has a clear idea of what’s wanted from him.

Yes, I get that he wasn’t paying attention but we know nothing else of this horse. And if it were my horse I would have done the following: either get into a pen or stick a second line on the poor horse. Then he might have some clue as to what I want and then start to concentrate when he realizes I’m not going to jerk and smack on him.

I’m really sorry but maybe you see a horse that wasn’t respecting his handler and yes that could be true, but to me he just looked like he was fresh and hadn’t a clue as to what to do and human handlers weren’t helping. And it’s the handlers job to “explain” to the horse what he needs to do. If taking a step back and working on basics isn’t an option then stop labeling yourself a trainer.

Terri

[ThreeFigs]

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;4723139]
^ You should![/QUOTE]

I did!

[Equilibrium]

Oh and would like to mention that a second line (as in driving lines) would give a horse with one eye a wee bit of confidence. Clearly he already knows what it’s like to have 2 hands on the reins as he is an ex-racehorse. Not rocket science people.

Terri

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

That horse is a saint.

First, I have no clue what she was asking of the horse.
Second, that was 4 minutes and 37 seconds of abuse. At the end of that session, the horse was not physically better off, relaxed, and willing to do more.

My horse has two working eyes, but I do not. If he looks at something, I look too. What the hell did that horse do that she thought was such a crime she needed to thwock him about the head?

Unlike the horse, LP is fortunate. If that had been my horse, the video would not have lasted 4 minutes and 37 seconds. And neither would LP.

[Alagirl]

@Beasmom;4723138

Well, well, well! What an enlightening little film THAT was!!!

I’d like to forward it to the people who were celebrating the Parelli’s involvement with the “rollkur petition”. Hypocrites.

Or the humane horseman crowd? :lol:

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;4723219]
Or the humane horseman crowd? :lol:[/QUOTE]

That is why I was so stunned when the HSUS made Pat Parelli their “humane horseman of the year”.

They really handle horses in a less than smooth manner.
Although not legally abuse, it is definitely not very horsemanlike.

In one of their clinics the parelli certified instructor handled several horses like that and one of them, an older OTTB, that was dead broke, mannerly and quiet, the lady left after that and I don’t blame her.

As an owner, in those situations, with someone talking to you as if that is normal and necessary and other people around doing the same, I think many students are overwhelmed and don’t want to make a scene, if they realize that is not how people sould train.
I saw that time and again and see it on RFD-TV, the PPs are not the only ones.

Just think, the PPs now have some students starting to show under their name.
What will a steward to, if they do that to a horse on the show grounds, maybe in the warm up?
Very apt to happen, because they teach that, if a horse is acting up, to get off and do all that stuff on the ground.:eek:
What will others there do if they see that going on?

As someone said, how do you feel to know that PP came against Rollkur so strongly, when they handle horses like that and teach others to do so?

[Guilherme]

Pay HSUS enough and they’ll give you an award, too.

I don’t understand what she was trying to a accomplish. A small “shank rattle” is something I’ve done to remind my horse to “look at me.” But this goes way over the top.

G.

[saje]

@alteringwego;4722960

Let me preface this by saying that I am not a Parelli follower or any other NH guru of the moment, gaining fame by some elaborate marketing scheme.

But… after reading the comments here I was expecting some horrible beating with a carrot stick or whacking him on the head in an abusive fashion. Instead, I saw a very dull, distracted horse with no respect for his handler, surroundings, or her space. LP did follow through with her ‘games’/logic of getting the horse to move away from her with as little force as possible. This horse was too distracted and that becomes dangerous. Especially when this horse doesn’t even bother to look at his handler. And I’m not opposed to the hand smacking (I think she was whacking him behind the jaw on the very fleshy area- doesn’t hurt the horse and obviously he isn’t too concerned by it or he would have reacted- he barely moves.
Horses like this are frustrating and dangerous, even more so undersaddle.
I’m not saying that I totally agree with what she’s doing but I’m not going to criticize her harshly.

Are you kidding?

How about letting him look for a minute, and then keep him busy DOING something not just looking at the handler. It is perfectly possible for my horse to listen to me and do as I ask without his having his eyes (or ONE EYE in this poor horse’s case) on me all the time.

That horse was being taught nothing but to tune out people, to tune out pain.

Gentler training my @ss.

[ChocoMare]

I don’t normally jump on the PP/Pepperoni bandwagon but had to peek. I made it about 45 seconds into the video and closed it. I have only one question: PURPOSE?!

:sigh:

[saje]

@stoicfish;4723012

It was mentally abusive, more so than physically. I would never, ever let someone treat my horse that way. I would have a hard time not using the same method on them just to prove a point. Alterinwego, honestly that did nothing for the horse but make him lose respect for people. Her actions were so contradictory that I couldn’t figure out what she wanted. That is abusive.

Absolutely.

[Alagirl]

@Guilherme;4723256

Pay HSUS enough and they’ll give you an award, too.

LOL, I keep my money and they can keep the awards.

[Eye_in_the_Sky]

LP: You looked? BAAAAADDDD!!! Jerk Jerk Jerk…Jerk Jerk…Let me Jerk some more so you understand that I’m going to Jerk some more…and come on over here…SMACK!!

I think I need to recoup some of my money from this botched session…I’ll take my pants off and put them up on eBay and some CarrotHead will pay me their life savings for 'em.

Horse: I thought she was going to rub my face and then she hit me I want to go home I thought we were going to play some games and have remedial fun - this is painful!:eek:

[Eye_in_the_Sky]

[QUOTE=alteringwego;4722960]
Let me preface this by saying that I am not a Parelli follower or any other NH guru of the moment, gaining fame by some elaborate marketing scheme.

But… after reading the comments here I was expecting some horrible beating with a carrot stick or whacking him on the head in an abusive fashion. Instead, I saw a very dull, distracted horse with no respect for his handler, surroundings, or her space. LP did follow through with her ‘games’/logic of getting the horse to move away from her with as little force as possible. This horse was too distracted and that becomes dangerous. Especially when this horse doesn’t even bother to look at his handler. And I’m not opposed to the hand smacking (I think she was whacking him behind the jaw on the very fleshy area- doesn’t hurt the horse and obviously he isn’t too concerned by it or he would have reacted- he barely moves.
Horses like this are frustrating and dangerous, even more so undersaddle.
I’m not saying that I totally agree with what she’s doing but I’m not going to criticize her harshly.[/QUOTE]

I have a “carrot stick” right here with your name on it…

[PRS]

[QUOTE=Lazydacres Farm;4722641]
Has anybody else noticed that it appears that horse is missing his left eye? Maybe someone else “parellied” him before Linda/whoever got her hands on him?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I kept looking at it and it did appear to me that either the eye was missing or damaged. I starting thinking that the horse had a vision problem of some kind after the first minute or so.

I can tell you that if that were my horse she would have found herself sitting on her butt on the ground because I would have put her there…of course, me and my horse would never have been there in the first place.

[imapepper]

Interesting

I had no idea what she was trying to accomplish. I only watched about 30 seconds of it. The flailing arms and jerking probably didn’t hurt that horse much but he certainly looked confused. I am not really sure what that horse was doing that was so wrong to deserve the punishment. I am confused too. It doesn’t really suprise me though. I have never seen anything about the Parelli method that convinces me that they are not yahoos.

[dags]

At best, that was the most blatant lack of feel or intuition I have ever. Ever. seen (from a touted professional).

I don’t get it at all. I have never seen PP in action. This blows any and all of my preconceived notions out of the water.

What the heck was “Natural” about any of that? An open palm smack was the only non-artificial “aide” applied.

The handler (PP I guess!) was SCARED. These were all instinctual reactions from fear, not training techniques with an end goal in mind. She actually suggests doing “jumping jacks”, or whatever else will work, to get him out of her space. The whole thing was kind of amusing at that point.

But the rest absolutely enrages me. I turned it off in disgust when the head smacking began. I am at a loss that this clip is allowed in public, let alone used in their training videos. That koolaid is farrrrr stronger than I imagined.

[magnolia73]

Horses like this are frustrating and dangerous, even more so undersaddle.
I’m not saying that I totally agree with what she’s doing but I’m not going to criticize her harshly.

My horse is probably the sweetest, most docile animal you will meet. She has been known to look around and be less focused in new settings, like probably most younger horses are. If you did that shit to her- yanking on her and wiggling ropes in her face she’d open up a big ass can of whoop ass on you.

And also, that is why longe whips were created. They do a great effcient job of keeping a horse out of your space while not having to go through calistenics to do it.