Right???
No kool-aid at Ruby Ridge, Waco or with the Hale Bopp Cult.
And now there is always “tea”.
So what is your point?
You all need something to do besides digging up a thrashed out OLD thread from over a year ago…
Geez…
I have to stop coming down to others level.:rolleyes:
[quote=walktrot;5576579]If internet discussions boards are at the bottom of the list, why is it that you invest so much of your time here defending the Parellis and their method?
Where am I defending anything? Your opinion you are welcome too it.
Given that you appear to be a blind follower of the Parellis I guess you just called yourself a fool, without question.
We are all fools aren’t we?:yes:
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Does everyone realize there is only one person left on this forum defending PNH?
It seems he continues on these threads not to defend PNH but because of the constant attention he is getting?
Also keep in mind people are arguing with someone that likely has limited riding experience. After harassing others (like me) for photos ‘proving’ we ride (which I provided), he has refused to offer the same.
The only proof of his horse ownership is a photo showing overweight horses in a field.
Glad you found a lot to highlight.
if you put your thoughts between [ /quote] [ quote] marks, one can actually see them for your thoughts and won’t accidentally think I said any of that.
And no, I didn’t type all that out for your benefit. It’s for those who lurk and actually seek enlightenment.
What ever Parelli is doing, it is not working when people can’t read horses.
And way too many people are no longer able to do that. A horse is not a dog.
And no, do not bother. I do know your stance on the matter. And I don’t care for your lack of manners trying to defend it.
I’ve wondered the same. I took him off ignore to see if things had improved. Nope, still a knothead. But it struck me, he doesn’t do anything except say pot-stirring things but nothing of real value training-wise. As I said a while back, I had “him” pegged quite a while ago. Nothing of value that I can see of posts except entertainment value. Even that is getting strained and of limited value. So, back to ignoring.
But that’s just me.
Not going to waste my time proving anything to you leah.
You came to Parelli for the wrong reasons and because you didn’t find the “cure” you blame it on them. Misplaced guilt.:rolleyes:
Have fun continuing the thread. :dead:
Or a human. Yes there are people that can’t read horses. Many will never be able to.
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You came to Parelli for the wrong reasons and because you didn’t find the “cure” you blame it on them. Misplaced guilt.:rolleyes:
Have fun continuing the thread. :dead:[/QUOTE]
I know pointing things out to this poster is like talking to a rock but this line is so good, I had to save it :lol: Really, ‘came to P for the wrong reason’? If that doesn’t sound like the propaganda of a cult, I don’t know what would!!! Tell us oh wise one, what would be a GOOD reason to join the P cult!
I thought Parelli could fix any problem in any horse? I"m so confused…
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Tell us oh wise one, what would be a GOOD reason to join the P cult![/QUOTE]
To learn how to longe your horse and coil your rope using your feet AT THE SAME TIME!!! It’s the ultimate in horsemanship.
As seen on RFD-TV.
7HL
7Hl;
Barney was abused under the FEI and USEF definitions of anything that causes pain and discomfort to the horse.
Scaring a horse is inflicting pain and discomfort, and had I seen that video when it occured I would have filed a criminal complaint.
2004 Washington State Supreme Court held in 118 Wn. App. 730, State v. Zawistowski, that Webster’s Third New International Dictionary 1621 (1969) definition of “pain” as "a state of physical or mental lack of well-being or physical or mental uneasiness that ranges from mild discomfort or dull distress to acute often unbearable agony."
The Parelli’s are P.T. Barnum proteges and are not horsemen :yes: even if they obtain like WAZ into their camp.
Game and Savvy and Horsenalities are merely smoke and mirrors for their lack of knowledge and abilities.
Remember a couple of famous lines from a movie…“You want the truth”, “You can’t handle the truth”. That is the crux of the success of the Parellis…people do not want to hear the truth nor see the truth because then they must have to speak of the truth.:eek:
click, click, click – the needle is stuck in the grooves of the record…
You ALL have good and valid points… IMO —
You have have already chewed that CUD more than once…
There are some who will stay with Parelli and others who want nothing to do with them…
That is OK…
I know, I don’t have to read them, and I am going to take my own advice do just that… Stop reading all this regurgitation of a topic that apparently, has no end !!
Everyone, go and enjoy your horses as you see fit and have FUN!! After all, that is what horses are suppose to be, fun and enjoyable… 
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I watched the PNH “Master Class” show on RFD last night. The promo said it was Mrs. Parelli taking a lesson from Walter Zettl. But it only showed about 30 seconds of WZ talking to the audience and another 30 seconds of tape edited together of her riding.
The rest of the show involved two PNH students doing a sort of freestyle and Pat Parelli and someone else scoring them – 35% on relationship to the horse; 35% on how they use the games; and 30% on how they use the arena. Or something like that.
It was interesting. They mostly did groundwork and then rode bareback. The horses looked a little stiff to me, but the handlers were good. They both scored 100%. But it seemed to be about showmanship more than anything else.
That was underscored by Pat Parelli showing one of the girls how to longe her horse (aka the circle game) and coil up her rope at the same time. Here’s how it’s done: You let the horse all the way out on the rope and put the end under your feet. Then, as the horse goes round and round, you alternate lifting your heels and toes to coil up the rope.
PP ended up with the rope wrapped around him, which he found hugely amusing. Off the charts stupid and an accident waiting to happen, if you ask me. But no one did. ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that one. That girl & her horse did a pretty decent job and both were happy at the end. Then Pat came out to showboat & got both of them unhappy. Not the first time I’ve seen that happen–Pat lets showmanship get in the way of horsemanship.
Really, there is some good stuff in Parelli. You just have to already know enough to sort it out from the not so good stuff. With their marketing skills, imagine how much good they could do if they really truly taught horsemanship. It is sad.
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With their marketing skills, imagine how much good they could do if they really truly taught horsemanship. It is sad.[/QUOTE]
Sadly there is much more money in social networking:(
… but not enough for those who feel it is worthwhile to 1) warn people who are thinking about “coming to” Parelli that it is not infallible (despite impressions to the contrary) and that it is actually deficient in some parts of the program, and 2) urge those who are “in Parelli” but not already completely assimilated to stay open-minded, and never to stop questioning critically what they are told and/or shown by others - even (or especially!) gurus.
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… but not enough for those who feel it is worthwhile to 1) warn people who are thinking about “coming to” Parelli that it is not infallible (despite impressions to the contrary) and that it is actually deficient in some parts of the program, and 2) urge those who are “in Parelli” but not already completely assimilated to stay open-minded, and never to stop questioning critically what they are told and/or shown by others - even (or especially!) gurus.[/QUOTE]
It is not YOUR place, nor anyone else’s to be the shepherd of horsemanship and to warn others of whatever ills that others may believe…It is freedom of choice, just as there is freedom of politcal and religous beliefs… LET people believe in what they want, it isn’t (shouldn’t be) any bother to you!!!
[QUOTE=OldMorgans;5577354]
Yeah, that one. That girl & her horse did a pretty decent job and both were happy at the end. Then Pat came out to showboat & got both of them unhappy. Not the first time I’ve seen that happen–Pat lets showmanship get in the way of horsemanship.[/QUOTE]
I enjoyed their freestyles up until that point. The horses were calm (Arab took exception to a few things, but the usually do ;)) and the handlers knew what they were doing. Then PP steps in with that stupid rope trick.
I just hope their followers are smart enough NOT to do that one. Getting your feet tangled up in a longe line is a good way to get dragged.
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It is not YOUR place, nor anyone else’s to be the shepherd of horsemanship and to warn others of whatever ills that others may believe…It is freedom of choice, just as there is freedom of politcal and religous beliefs… LET people believe in what they want, it isn’t (shouldn’t be) any bother to you!!![/QUOTE]
Belief? Hmmm. But we’re not talking about anything like religious belief here, are we? :yes:
