Anything anyone is looking forward to?
Big fan of Hip175. Tapit x Urban Ball (Ire). Urban Ball is by Galileo and out of a mare by Secretariat.
Dam is a half sister to Sky Box who produced Perfect Soul .
She is quite the looker:
http://tmsaecatalog.com/19KEESEPT/100/hip/175
1/2 to Justify just sold for $950,000 sired by Pioneer of the Nile
Figured he would bring more. Considering his half brother is a triple crown winner and his sire already produced a triple crown winner. Add to that, there will not be anymore Pioneer of the Nile.
He was a nice looking horse too, very correct, plenty of substance.
Announcers and auctioneers were working it hard but couldnât get any more bids.
Quite a bit of RNAâs so far in book 1.
the 1/2 to Justify was a RNA too.
Slight nit
Pioneerof the Nile
The RNAs didnât seem excessive.
Keeneland is always fun to watch. They are apparently making some nice improvements in and around the barns.
Is anyone here present at the sale? Did you go this year @LaurieB ?
For those of a mind to look at the catalog
Looking forward to seeing what Frosted has done. Honor Code as well (only two tomorrow). He hasnât had many in the sales that Iâve seen up until now.
Expect that C.C.'s will be âall over the placeâ but will have to wait and see since he only has one in tomorrowâs session.
This is always such a fun sale to watch. Itâs really the first chance for us to see what the first crop sires have done.
It is fun to see the cream at Saratoga, but at Keeneland there is a better representation of the new boysâ get.
@skydy Iâve been there for 3 days so far. (Yearlings started showing Friday.) Only another 12 or so days to go. :lol:
What do you think of the improvements? and the Honor Codes if youâve had a chance to look. Do you have time to look around when you have one in the sale?
It must be a great time to see which stallions are producing a physical that you may consider to be a good match for your mares next season.
How are your weaners?
Article from BH that might be worth reading
While direct year-to-year comparisons are difficult because this yearâs Book 1 format consists of fewer horses, by any measure the session was a major success.
The buy-back rate also improved this year, with the 44 horses that went unsold representing a 29.1% RNA rate, compared with 34.9% in 2018.
While there were some top lots that changed hands during the session, one high-profile yearling went unsold on a final bid of $950,000 when Glennwood Farm bought back a half brother to Triple Crown winner Justify .
The buyback of the Pioneerof the Nile colt marked the second year breeder Glennwood has bought back a a half brother to Justify, having taken home a son of Will Take Charge on a $1.75 million final bid at the 2018 sale.
âI just felt that, if heâs going to sell around that price, Iâd be just as happy to race him,â Glennwoodâs John Gunther said.
How fun it must be to decide how much of an offer it would take for you to let them go. I can imagine that it might not be difficult when it is your homebred.
@snaffle1987 an RNA is not a failure, you do understand that? It only reflects the owners price at which they are willing to part with the horse. I have no experience with TBs bred for the track. However, assuming you have owned horses at some point in time, you will understand that weâve all had horses that we would:
Owners that bring their horses to public auction obviously fall in category 2 or 3.
Commercial breeders, of course must consider the bottom line at some point, they canât keep them all.
Many people that have a private breeding program would rather keep and race then sell for less than they think the horse is worth, just as you would not sell your good hunter, jumper, fox-hunter, or eventer, for peanuts.
If there is a dispersal from an estate that is being liquidated you will sometimes see horses sold âwithout reserveâ. Thatâs the same sort of âbest offerâ type of sale that happens with H/Js or any other type of performance horse that needs to be sold ânowâ for whatever reason.
It is painful to watch the yearling sales when some really nice ones donât even make their stud fee, especially knowing that they may turn out to be a world beater (in which case hopefully the owner has not sold !) but itâs also thrilling to see a dedicated breeder whose hard work is rewarded when their homebred fetches a grand price. :yes:
I watched some of the CCâs go through yesterday. I believe one was over 300k. All of them looked really, really good. Beautiful yearlings. Balanced, lots of presence. Not the heaviest built but I thought they all looked very nice. Would love to see some of them run on grass. They look like good turf potential.
I just find it ironic that a Tapit half to Nyquist sells for 2.5 million but a half to a triple crown winner by a sire who is dead who has sired a triple crown winner wouldâve been well over the 1 million mark. But I didnât review the POTN coltâs medical records so who knows, there couldâve been something. He looked plenty big enough in the ring.
let me be clear I wasnât ridiculing the buy back rate. just point out that a lot of the consignments in book 1 were RNAâs. I didnât get to see the entirety of the day 1. Tuned in when I could, checked the results here and there. Still havenât followed up on everything with the end of day 1.
I 100% agree with your last paragraph. Its a tough market. Lots of horses selling in 12 days. Lots of options for buyers. We live in a world where vetting yearlings is done with a fine tooth comb. Any issue, no matter how small, can have a major impact on bids when there are so many other options for buyers in the same sale. Sad to see them not cover their sire fees but that is the market and the auction environment
Sales-wise, I still think its a strong market for sellers. Lots of positive upswing. Now how many will justify their inflated prices on the track⊠very few.
Iâm not sure I understand the irony in that. A great pedigree will only get a horse so far. Then you have to bring the goods physicallyâeven before the vetting comes into play.
What can be seen on a computer screen and what is visible in real life arenât the same thing. There were nicer yearlings available at the sale yesterday. This one will have every chance to succeed on the track with his breeders (unless they sell him privately before then.)
The improvements look great, although Iâm sorry that so many mature trees were cut down. Some areas around the barns look naked without them. I havenât seen many Honor Codes yet (this sale). A friend of mine has a really lovely filly by him selling tomorrow. And yes, this sale is the best place to see what kind of offspring stallions are producing.
A statement that still makes no sense to me as the article from BH points out. This yearâs RNA % was less than last year for roughly the same âbookâ (given that this year the books were restructured a bit.) Less than 1/3 of the horsesâŠ
carry on whereâs my white. do you have any lots in the sale that catch your eye? what are you looking forward to in book 2.
There were two C.C.s. in the first session. They sold for 180k and 200k.
What do you mean by ânot the heaviest builtâ?
for sure, have to have the entirety of the pie if you want to sell well and command top price in the sales ring; regardless of sale. I donât doubt that there were better in the sale, there were. Need to keep in mind that Justify didnât command big, big figures. He had notables on his vetting. Many passed him over. He still won the triple crown and those who were at the upper echelon of that sale didnât amount to what he did, despite his vetting on sale day. American Pharoah was technically an RNA at 300k but was actually marked âsoldâ to Ingordo Bloodstock even though he never left his breeders hands.
But on sale day; you need to have a clean vetting, have the pedigree, and physically look the part. If one of those pieces of the pie is missing, or compromised, the horse will be passed over. The last day of the sale is filled with horses with that issue: not the best pedigree, something in the vetting that is known, not the best appearance. Plenty of âdealsâ to be had for those non discriminant buyers and plenty of losses to be had for those consignors not wanting to take the horse back home.
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