As I have been told- when you buy a horse that is showing you ( or trainer) gets the recipe for the “cocktail”. How polite of the seller.
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No, that would not be my assumption. Whatever else you say about LG (and I can say a lot), he has an unbelievably good eye for a prospect and even without any umm, assistance, he can make up a damn fine hunter from that prospect. He also has a lot of great connections in Europe. So he (and a handful of far more reputable trainers) get first crack at the cream of the crop in Europe. If you want the next great hunter, that’s undeniably a great place to look (you know, unless you don’t want to be complicit in everything else you are endorsing by your actions).
So I am fairly certain (with no actual knowledge to back this up) that the vast majority of sales that go through LCF are pretty straightforward and do not involve any unique program to make those horses be awesome. But we all know sometimes the horse you thought you bought isn’t the horse you ended up with. I’m fairly certain (again, with no actual first hand knowledge) that when the law of averages comes into play and LCF ends up with such a horse, they may have better “success” with their “program” than others. I’m also willing to bet, based on a few horses who ended up in their program with a reputation for being really tough/pro ride and allofasudden improved considerably in the consistency and results, that more than KF posting the canter was involved in that improvement. But that’s just my opinion with zero first hand evidence.
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Pardon the interruption, but: OMG, I just spent far too long reading that thread…thank the good man above that microchipping is upon us…
Back to your regularly scheduled posting!
It’s olde skewl, but the dex+ACTH boogie takes a while for a horse to recover from, especially if it is suddenly discontinued. Those cortisol levels just don’t get back to normal function overnight
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ACTH?
Dex and an ACHT lowering agent- let’s say pergolide- half life of both is short, longest being 27 hours after repeated administration of pergolide. And it would have to be registered on a med form- correct? As a pharmacologist- not buying 3 week detox. I’m sure the horse was different- hey he can feel again. To me it reaks of of a call for pity. JMO
LCF drug infractions are well known. Again, JMO.
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noooo, I wish I meant something as benign as an ACTH lowering agent like pergolide, I mean injectable adrenocorticotropic hormone, aka corticotropin. And yes, ACTH+dex was a thing. I’m far enough removed from the h/j show world these days, so I have no idea if it still is a thing. But when it was a thing, it wasn’t an easy thing to come off of.
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There are some pretty long acting sedatives. They would test, you would expect.
And there’s so much we don’t know. What happens when a horse has been getting GABA every day for weeks and weeks? It’s not truly a WITHDRAWL in the medical sense, but you could see where going cold turkey might totally throw a horse for a loop.
Since we don’t know what drugs are being used, and they haven’t been tested in terms of how they effect horses-- it’s just guesswork.
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Kelli and Larry are allowed to go back to horse shows tomorrow, according to a source. Something about an arbitrator ruling for them.
No, I won’t say who, it’ll all come out soon anyway.
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Thanks 3467.
I did not know whether to disgusted or amused.
I’m wondering if this arbitration proceeding comes from a new complaint to the USOC under Section 9 of the USOC “legal” provisions. Arbitration is the usual method for them, but it is almost never the result of a USEF action. The usual response to USEF actions is a lawsuit, not arbitration.
Their first complaint to the USOC under Section 10 was dismissed for failure to exhaust administrative remedies, but that’s been done now. However, most Section 10 cases are before a panel of “sportsmen”, not arbitrators. Section 9 cases are always before a single arbitrator.
How does that happen? Who is it that can tell the federation to lift their own suspension??
Now that the holidays are over and just as Florida is getting ready to roll. How convenient for them and their clients.
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I was just thinking the same thing :no:
They appealed to the USOC and it got dismissed, I thought. Perhaps they’ve taken it to the CAS? I didn’t realize that would apply to non-FEI disciplines.
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Aaaaand this kind of BS is exactly what I was talking about … the USE(F) can’t even enforce its own penalties without the repeat offenders running crying to their lawyer and getting things delayed (and probably eventually overturned).
It’s getting really old.
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Can this kind of thing happen with FEI rulings as well?
No wonder our fees keep going up. Is it really the increased cost of showing, or the increased costs of dealing with the offenders’s lawyers, potential lawsuits, etc?
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FEI rulings are always subject to the CAS. There has to be an arbitration agreement between a National Federation and the CAS for the CAS to handle a case that isn’t the International federation and an international federation member.
There are several different USOC “legal” provisions. Section 10 is when the claimant alleges that the National Federation isn’t acting like a good National Federation; Section 9 is when a claimant alleges a bad action against him/her specifically. Dorothy Crowell filed a Section 9 charge when she wasn’t allowed to compete at Rolex in 2009 because she had two falls from one horse within one year. The disqualification stood after arbitration before a single arbitrator. The USOC site doesn’t list pending cases; only those that have been completed can be found on its website, so there was nothing that I could find on Glefke-Farmer except the dismissed Section 10 case.
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i have a trainer friend who has bought several horses through LCF. They are really quality horses, but they do have to go through a “withdrawl” period, then you have to figure out a proper program for them. And yes, horses coming off of Dex too quickly can have nasty side effects, from hair loss, body pain, or laminitis. it is a real thing
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