Hearsay doesnt count in a court of law.
[QUOTE=Kimchi;8520538]
Well done Ann! She is truly a very lovely and skilled rider!
She keeps a horse at the barn I lesson at, and she has always been very kind and generous. My horse stopped an threw a fit cutting her off in a warm up arena and although I was in the wrong she smiled and was very sweet about it. So I am very happy for her, and she really is such a good rider, I hope one day I can ride as well as she does![/QUOTE]
I appreciate your positive post and the nice fact that you could be her champion. I’m impressed. Ggod job at good sportsman competitor.
[QUOTE=Lucassb;8520570]
Recognizing the accomplishments of one person who happens to be more in the public eye than most, for achieving excellent success in the face of a debilitating condition does not take anything away from others who might also be dealing successfully with that illness.
On the contrary, perhaps Mrs. Romney’s success is something of an inspiration to others with that type of diagnosis, encouraging them to move forward with whatever their passion might be, in dressage or otherwise.
Our society follows people in certain roles; that is just the nature of media coverage.[/QUOTE]
In fact, she is an inspiration to people without a handicap. thank you for your great statement that she takes nothing away from people with a similar illness. Does anyone here remember Betty Ford? Wow, the public was really divided on her public representation of breat cancer. Now, we see from her speaking that women and men can be cured of breat cancer. A wealthy politicians wife influencing America whether sick or not. I attribute my best friend staying alive to Research encouraged by her.
[QUOTE=Velvet;8520575]
Stop watching the news and reading the rags. Why not just stop and not give them the time or money? Why not make them go away? Why is it okay to support that behavior? Why do we accept it as human nature? I thought we were supposed to be able to rise above such things.[/QUOTE]
wtf???
[QUOTE=atlatl;8520584]
I am compelled to point out that it was your first response to the original post that stirred the pot. I suspect that had you not done so, this thread would have petered out in relative short order.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps not. There are a lot of impressed people here and we are saluting the strengths of Ann, and vicariously, slinging the mud back at the mud slingers. I am thrilled for Ann representing good .
library.med.utah.edu
Some stats
life expectancy maybe 25 years from diagnosis
50% will become wheelchair bound and not able to walk or ambulate
progressive deterioration leading to death are
urinary tract infections sepsis
breaking bed sores leadind to sepsis
aspiration vomit and difficulty swallowing.
deathly pneumonia
urogenital sepsis
afferent cerebal onset (sensory)
death from immobility
bacrerial infection pneumonias
[QUOTE=candico;8520905]
Yes, unfortunately the court documents seem to no longer be available, but it was factually supported there. I have also spoken to former working students so I guess that is second-hand.
According to the court documents, the horse also had been injected with steroids directly into the joint affected by the low ringbone several times over five years by Dr. Sullivan. Dr. Grant had warned them that the horse had a chronic lameness that would get worse over time shortly after they acquired him. Dr. Soule said it was one of the worst low ringbone x-Rays he had ever seen. So even without the four tranquilizers, you still have to deduce that they knew they were selling a broken horse. My vet doesn’t even like to inject for low ringbone more than once especially to just prolong ride-ability because injecting steroids does nothing to improve the health of the joint and in fact can contribute to its further degeneration. I am sure if you presented the horse’s history and maintenance requirements here on COTH as an average poster and said “hey, my trainer thinks we can get $125,000 for this horse, what do you think?” - the response would be quite ugly to say the least.
Add to that, it was also revealed that they were deducting the horse expenses as business losses - 77,000 in one year. They did disclose a reasoning was that they were therapy horses for her MS. So if they had just given away the horse with full disclosure or euthanized it they could have written it off anyway I would think. I do believe they no longer write off these horse expenses in the same way because it did come under scrutiny during the campaign.
Yes, she is a great role model for riders battling MS. Hope that since then she has learned to cherish her horses enough to put their well-being first and foremost.
Ugh. Just saw the note from the mods after writing this post. Delete it if you think it is inappropriate. Just wanted to defend that I was not just throwing around un-supported rumors.[/QUOTE]
Hearsay
[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8521971]
How am I supposed to be able to understand who is giving “a fair statement of the facts” from this side of the computer? We see all the time here even people involved IRL have vastly different views on the same situation.
that is why I think these suggestions of wrong doing don’t belong on these forums.
At some point I wonder if much of this negativity towards upper levelr (wealthy) riders is rooted in jealousy. Who knows, I wish we could all just be happy for her and build up the sport and not try to undermine everything positive that comes out of the upper levels.[/QUOTE]
Wonderful rebuttal. i would’ve tried to say the same thing but I couldn’t spell jealousy and I was embarrased.
[QUOTE=chebeau;8522111]
A co-worker of mine who deals with MS was inspired by Ms. Romney’s story. She had ridden as a girl and still loved horses. After reading Romney’s book, she decided to explore riding again. For a person dealing with the challenges of MS, she has said coming back to riding has been one of the best things for her health wise and personally. So yes, Ms. Romney has made a difference by her story being shared.
Happy riding,
Jessie[/QUOTE]
That is such a wonderful admiration for people who can utilize bad things in their lives and turn it around to inspire others. Now, that is truly a role model.Thank you for your sweet post.
[QUOTE=HSS;8522205]
Jealousy is right. Of course I’m jealous! Wouldn’t anyone be? I, and anyone else in their right mind, caught by the horse bug, would LOVE unlimited funds to pursue their dream.
Which still doesn’t mean that money makes your life a sweet bed of roses with no pain. No one escapes that.
Or that you can ride an FEI horse just for the wanting. Dream on!
And as far as this Super Hit thing goes, reading the court testimony it sounds to me as if Dr. Herthel lied to his client regarding the pre-purchase exam. Instead of discussing his findings with his client, he discussed it with the seller’s trainer.
It appears from the court records that Dr. Herthel had a long standing relationship (20 years) with Amy & Jan Ebling, and that he had routinely treated Super Hit for lameness, but that he failed to disclose any of this to his client. Also, Dr. Herthel suspected that Super Hit had been drugged up prior to his pre-purchase exam, and Dr. Herthel also failed to disclose this to his client, but instead discussed it with the Eblings.
Talk about breech of ethics! The vet you hire to do a pre-purchase conspires with the sellers to conceal from you the knowledge you need to make an informed decision about whether to buy the horse!!
Ann was questioned for 4 hours and then dismissed from the lawsuit.
No wonder- it’s clear from Dr. Soule’s expert testimony that the guilty parties were the Eblings and most especially Dr. Herthel.
Gives me a whole different color to Alamo Pintata…geezus.
And about this ridiculous tax issue- IMHO, if ANYONE can write off (legitimate) expenses and have accountants that can get that past the IRS Nazis, GO FOR IT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Lerner
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/26/paper-gibson-guitar-raids-may-be-another-case-of-obama-administration-targeting/
Most corrupt organization with a private army AND the ability to completely screw you to the wall in this country today. Ever been audited? Good luck with that.
Funny you won’t hear a word about the IRS on the campaign trail- by anyone…yet this country was founded in revolution against unfair taxation…[/QUOTE]
Talking about a breach of ethics! I think you are suggesting to us to avoid paying our taxes. This is a very very bad crime.
Remember, if its on the web, its on there for good, deleting or not.
In all my horse buying, good and slovenly,I was always presented with the most basic results of blood work, saliva tests and a lameness check. If I was purchasing a big ticket horse, bad on the buyer for not insisting on State blood work analysis.
Some great original terms here for let the buyer beware, and dont ask dont tell which is accepted in our armed forces. Even in my pops day, he spoke of dont ask, dont tell. (ww2).
I have trusted some trainers but I also come from racing association.
[QUOTE=scheherazadetbmare;8521818]
I think this is a fair statement of the facts.
What mod post? must go back and look.[/QUOTE]
How did Candice get to review the court documents that are sealed?
[QUOTE=GreyGelding;8522272]
There was a good article out recently in the Untacked magazine. She also has an autobiography - In This Together - http://www.amazon.com/In-This-Together-My-Story/dp/1250083974
I thought the article was well done and the book is on my reading list.[/QUOTE]
Brave woman. depressed to dust and contemplating suicide, and voicing it publically.
[QUOTE=Sheri;8532196]
Talking about a breach of ethics! I think you are suggesting to us to avoid paying our taxes. This is a very very bad crime.
Remember, if its on the web, its on there for good, deleting or not. [/QUOTE]
HSS said if you can write off “legitimate expenses” then go for it. How to you read “avoid paying taxes” from that?
This thread … Oi vey.
[QUOTE=m&m;8522414]
I had a front row seat of the way she chooses to use her horses. Not impressed.
I worked at a barn where she kept two of her horses, when her husband was Governor of my state. Since I was one of the little people, I faded into the woodwork, as if I wasn’t there. Because of that, I was easily within earshot when Ann, her Massachusetts trainer, and her groom had a conversation immediately following a vet consult wherein they were told to go easy on the horse, do no more than walk and trot, and that only if he was willing on any given day. (I don’t know the issue, but my guess was Lyme disease.)
Vet left, the three of them pow wowed, and the upshot? Horse was put back into work with longer spurs and the instructions to the groom, who sometimes rode, were to make that horse WORK.
Not a fan.[/QUOTE]
objection hearsay .
[QUOTE=Mardi;8525019]
What’s this about her husband ? Is that the man standing next to Jan Ebeling in the photo ? OMG it is. He should have stayed home, or back at the hotel and pretended he wasn’t there. Who does he think he is ?? It’s not like he’s a successful businessman, former governor, saved the SLC Olympics and thoroughly supports his wife’s passion for riding and her ownership of top international horses, one of whom represented the US in the 2012 London Olympics. Sshhhhhh don’t mention him, even though Ann has the same last name.
I guess we shouldn’t mention Akiko Yamazaki (well known owner of Ravel, Legolas, Rosamunde, et al) when her horses compete, or when she competes in the upper level classes, because of… well…you know… who her husband is.
Can’t have it both ways.[/QUOTE]
Most of champions have backers.
[QUOTE=Bogey2;8525570]
really? we must know each other, I trailered in for lessons with the other trainer there…I always found Ann to be more than gracious. I didn’t know her trainer very well though
As for people with money and riding…there are a ton of people with lots of money who are not great rides no matter how much they spend so kudos to Ann![/QUOTE]
Since I should have been a Missourian, unless I can see or know proof, I am not swayed.
[QUOTE=LarkspurCO;8532217]
HSS said if you can write off “legitimate expenses” then go for it. How to you read “avoid paying taxes” from that?
This thread … Oi vey.[/QUOTE]
Nu?
Du bist eine kvetching golem? Oy veHs meir.
I admire anyone competing at her level while defeating physiological challenges.
But I’m embarrassed by and for dressage enthusiasts who believe this discipline makes us more “classy” than other people. And I’m thrilled whenever people who believe that way are defeated in the election booths by voters with a more communal view of what our Country is and ought to be.
That kind of false class representation from a First Lady is about the last thing this Country needs.
And to be clear that’s not a slam against Mrs Romney herself. That’s a slam against snobbery as an aspect of a political figure’s appeal.
[QUOTE=Sheri;8532233]
Since I should have been a Missourian, unless I can see or know proof, I am not swayed.[/QUOTE]
Bogey2’s response was to me, not to you, Sheri.
I am impressed, though. 96 posts to date, and I’m pretty sure they are all on this thread! 
Ann and her trainer did a demo at Equine Affaire in Mass. back when Mitt was governor of Massachusetts, so it was quite a while ago. I don’t remember what level she was at, but she was a very nice rider. What really impressed the audience was the fact that she has MS. The trainer said that she was weaker on one side of her body, so they had to work that into the training. Mitt came in about halfway through the session, and the atmosphere went electric with people muttering “that’s the husband, he’s the governor.” So does Ann have an advantage because they are wealthy? Perhaps, but in the end that doesn’t have any influence on her illness and her ability to rise above it.
