Lainey and Frodo Thread

[Carol_Ames]

Who was there?

who was actually at the basket? I understood from someone that he had hit baskets’ back "rail"of the basket and flipped; but, in the photo he looks like he is confused about where the ground was, did not unfold in front, and landed on his head, please clarify; Q man tried to jump out of the footbridge after having jumped in and flipped . I am trying to figure out where the"glitch was; lack of scope, or just not understanding the problem btw. did anyone try to bank the basket:eek:?

[shea_smom]

Carol,
I can tell you I watched the entire first half of xc do the basket with no problems.
I also saw the Quiet Man’s fall. He was presented without enough impulsion.
Ddidn’t see the other fall.

[tommygirl]

I saw both

[QUOTE=Carol Ames;3218839]
who was actually at the basket? I understood from someone that he had hit baskets’ back "rail"of the basket and flipped; but, in the photo he looks like he is confused about where the ground was, did not unfold in front, and landed on his head, please clarify; Q man tried to jump out of the footbridge after having jumped in and flipped . I am trying to figure out where the"glitch was; lack of scope, or just not understanding the problem btw. did anyone try to bank the basket:eek:?[/QUOTE]

Frodo and Laine came very fast at the basket, he did not have time to leave the ground…

Q man & rider were in trouble 2 fences before the footbridge, riding backwards, no forward motion, and were riding for the fall. The sunken road was enough for me to see they needed to retire… but they went on…

[EventFan]

I was at the basket, I have a picture of them at the “take off” moment. He looks low and not ready. That moment will be in my mind forever; it was heart wrenching and terrifying.

Does anyone know when the Laine bracelets will be available? I’d like to order some for my barn.

[luise]

[QUOTE=Carol Ames;3218839]
who was actually at the basket? I understood from someone that he had hit baskets’ back "rail"of the basket and flipped; but, in the photo he looks like he is confused about where the ground was, did not unfold in front, and landed on his head, please clarify; Q man tried to jump out of the footbridge after having jumped in and flipped . I am trying to figure out where the"glitch was; lack of scope, or just not understanding the problem btw. did anyone try to bank the basket:eek:?[/QUOTE]

I saw it on the jumbotron. His front feet came down on the back half of the jump which caused him to somersault over it.

[Carol_Ames]

Thanks!

^Thank you! That helps me immensely!:yes:

[RoeVee]

It is such great news to hear Laine is progressing so well!

Unlike some posters - I hopes she DOES pause to get back on a horse. Two horses dying in a year… hopefully, she pauses to reflect.

I wish her the best in her recovery.

[lisagore]

Jump 5 Flower Basket

I was no more than about 10 meters from the flower basket when Laine and Frodo had their fall and I can’t help but wonder what impact the sun had in the whole horrendous accident. I was watching her come down the hill and try to pull Frodo together for the approach to the flower basket. She was coming pretty fast but as they jumped all I could see from my angle was the sillouette of Frodo’s body flipping through the air because the sun was at just the right level in the sky…I have wondered many times if Laine was blinded by the sun, precipatating the misjudgement in the take off which resulted in the terrible accident. I am so glad to hear that she is now home and getting better. I knew after Frodo collapsed in convulsions that he was probably mortally hurt but I was SO afraid that Laine was too. It has been wonderful to keep up to date on her condition via her blog(updated by her mom)

[silver2]

Unlike some posters - I hopes she DOES pause to get back on a horse. Two horses dying in a year… hopefully, she pauses to reflect.

I have to admit I was a bit taken aback at the idea of her riding in next year’s Rolex. A bad head or neck injury is nothing to mess around with and no-one needs that kind of pressure to push their recovery.

[chunky_munky]

Lainey has just posted her first blog on her website since Rolex.

[lbennet6]

[QUOTE=chunky munky;3228388]
Lainey has just posted her first blog on her website since Rolex.:)[/QUOTE]

It was very inspiring.

[TwoStar3Day]

I just read her blog, it made me cry…very sweet.

http://laineashker.blogspot.com/

About the Sun, I also have thought that it might have been a factor. Also, because of the fact that there was a top to the basket that might have placed, for an instant, and unfortunate shadow. I know a few years ago my horse was competing at Champagne Run, at the park, and he misjudged a fence because of a shadow, and in the video you can see him looking at the shadow, and trying to navigate the jump. He cleared the fence fine, as it was training level, but it stuck in my head and I have thought many times about it, related to Laine. When I was at showjumping on Sunday at Rolex I had planned to go out to the basket at the exact time Laine rode to see the shadows. I got side tracked and never made it. I will always wonder.

[Kimberlee]

That is so great that she is in such good spirits.

[JaiPai]

I think the sun was a factor. That was the only fence that you jumped going that direction on that part of the course. I was not at the fence when in happened but I do know that looking in that direction the sun was in my eyes. Personally I think that with the downhill run and then somewhat short turn into the jump, the sun would have played a part. It could have momentarily blinded her and caused them both to misjudge the take off.

On a brighter note, I was so happy to read Lainey’s blog entry. It seems she is doing as well as can be and on her way to a complete recovery. I hope she does make her goal of riding at Fair Hill, I know I will certainly be cheering for her.

[wabadou]

[QUOTE=luise;3223219]
I saw it on the jumbotron. His front feet came down on the back half of the jump which caused him to somersault over it.[/QUOTE]

If you look at the picture that was put in the Kentucky Herald (? can’t remember the name) it is a full front on and his knees are below the front of the basket. In that picture it appeared that his front legs never cleared the front of the basket. Here is the link
http://www.kentucky.com/211/story/389828.html

If you click on the smaller picture, it is the one where he appeared to chest it before he flipped.

Warning: pictures are graphic

[lisagore]

The noise of Frodo hitting the jump was a huge “thwack” and there was grease all over the front of the basket, actually in semi circles consistant with his chest or forelegs hitting the front of the jump. I wondered if in her approach she tried to put an extra stride in before the jump and as her speed was pretty high and his stride resultingly long she just got in too close. The approach to the jump required her to angle around the corner from the double oxer and I think the sun would have been a last minute realization. There wouldn’t have been alot of time to reconsider the approach. Timing wise, by the time the last three riders rode the jump, about an hour and 15 minutes later, it would not have been an issue any more, nor would it have been an issue for earlier riders. I stood at that location for a long time…it was excellent as you could see the walnut jump, the flower basket and the cedar hedge/ditch combo and the view of the start box as well as the picnic table, the rock wall and the double oxer was excellent. Many riders approached the jump at what I thought was pretty high speed but only Laine didn’t make it. I think she just didn’t get any height and hit the front of the jump with tremendous force. It was a very sad and tragic combination of circumstances.

I can’t begin to describe how relieved I am that she is getting better. RIP Frodo…What a beautiful horse…I watched his expression as he approached the jump and he was a happy boy for sure.

[TeddyRocks]

Wonder Women…

[QUOTE=lisagore;3231259]
I can’t begin to describe how relieved I am that she is getting better. RIP Frodo…What a beautiful horse…I watched his expression as he approached the jump and he was a happy boy for sure.[/QUOTE]

I agree… I didn’t see the approach, as I wasn’t there, but on any photo of him jumping, or approaching a jump,he just looks JOYOUS…
RIP Frodo… and WOW I just ready Laine’s blog. She is such a Wonder Woman! Go Laine… For that matter, her mom is too. I Just cannot imagine the support system in that family… It is incredible.

God be with the whole family.

Lori

[HORSEBACKRIDER]

Troubling . . .

It is wonderful news that Laine is recovering well. I join with all other well-wishers in hoping for a speedy and complete recovery.

I may be in the minority but I find her post and aspects of her Mother’s earlier posts troubling. The picture I am getting is of an indulged, over-praised, headstrong young woman who has never been told no.

I have no sense that the death of two horses has chastened her or prompted any of the introspection or learning that Karen O’Connor, Buck Davidson, and others, are quoted as sharing in the other thread on eventing injuries. For Laine to dismiss the comments raising concerns about her judgment and brashness and to vow to come back riding harder and faster is frightening to me and I am surprised, frankly, that others are not concerned also.

[AiryFairy]

Exactly…

Thank you for putting into words what I have not been able to put my finger on about this accident. Lainey suffered horrible injuries, and I also wish her the best in her recovery. But, I am also troubled by what seems to be missing - humility, introspection and perhaps some acceptance of responsibility for what happened to her and her ‘best friend’ Frodo, who by all accounts was a super horse. I have lost horses I love, and they were the worst losses of my life. Had I ever felt even partially responsible for their deaths for any reason I would probably be crippled with guilt and would likely wait a long, long time before I attempted to ride again. I don’t think I would be proclaiming to the world that I would be back and would prove everyone wrong about me and my riding - There’s something sadly egocentric about that.

[QUOTE=HORSEBACKRIDER;3238067]
It is wonderful news that Laine is recovering well. I join with all other well-wishers in hoping for a speedy and complete recovery.

I may be in the minority but I find her post and aspects of her Mother’s earlier posts troubling. The picture I am getting is of an indulged, over-praised, headstrong young woman who has never been told no.

I have no sense that the death of two horses has chastened her or prompted any of the introspection or learning that Karen O’Connor, Buck Davidson, and others, are quoted as sharing in the other thread on eventing injuries. For Laine to dismiss the comments raising concerns about her judgment and brashness and to vow to come back riding harder and faster is frightening to me and I am surprised, frankly, that others are not concerned also.[/QUOTE]

[lauriep]

I saw Laine yesterday. She lives near me and we were on our way to run errands. Junior knows her well and she was just coming out to go for a walk. She said she is still in a good bit of pain, but plans to be back in the tack soon. She said it is still hard to inflate her lungs, and the broken ribs don’t help. But she looked well and said she is getting stronger all the time.