Liberty Training

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7975894]
This is an interesting suggestion, considering that the last time I posted on this thread was, at the time of your writing, …three days ago.[/QUOTE]

Does that make a difference in what I had to say?

I had quit reading here, then happen to this morning and responded to your post as written.
I didn’t look at the date, but maybe I should have if, as you complain, the date may make my response out of context?
Good point, will be more careful next time.

None of us is “perfct”, sorry, but I still stand by what I had to say.

[meupatdoes]

@Wonders12;7975899

Please go do something more productive, because you’re certainly not helping the OP go away.[/QUOTE]

Once again I find it interesting to be told to “go do something more productive” three days later when for the past three days I haven’t even bothered with this thread. I stopped participating in this thread, are you trying to get me to come back to it?

[QUOTE=Buey;7975977]Does that make a difference in what I had to say?

Persisently coming back to tell someone who has already stopped engaging with a thread to stop engaging with a thread is an interesting approach to getting people to drop threads. It will be interesting to see how many posts you will manage to squeeze out here days after everything already died down about how we should all drop it.
So far we’re at 2…

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;7976076]
Once again I find it interesting to be told to “go do something more productive” three days later when for the past three days I haven’t even bothered with this thread. I stopped participating in this thread, are you trying to get me to come back to it?

Persisently coming back to tell someone who has already stopped engaging with a thread to stop engaging with a thread is an interesting approach to getting people to drop threads. It will be interesting to see how many posts you will manage to squeeze out here days after everything already died down about how we should all drop it.
So far we’re at 2…[/QUOTE]

If you read and quote my whole post, not pick some out and go off with that, you may understand my reasoning and so would others.
Here I repeat it, in case you missed all but what you quoted:

—Does that make a difference in what I had to say?

I had quit reading here, then happen to this morning and responded to your post as written.
I didn’t look at the date, but maybe I should have if, as you complain, the date may make my response out of context?
Good point, will be more careful next time.

None of us is “perfct”, sorry, but I still stand by what I had to say."—

Yes, I will post as I see necessary, since that is not against the rules, last I read them.

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7976083]
If you read and quote my whole post, not pick some out and go off with that, you may understand my reasoning and so would others.
Here I repeat it, in case you missed all but what you quoted:

—Does that make a difference in what I had to say?

I had quit reading here, then happen to this morning and responded to your post as written.
I didn’t look at the date, but maybe I should have if, as you complain, the date may make my response out of context?
Good point, will be more careful next time.

None of us is “perfct”, sorry, but I still stand by what I had to say."—

Yes, I will post as I see necessary, since that is not against the rules, last I read them.[/QUOTE]

#3…

[Abbie.S]

meup, I normally love your posts, but this is now getting pretty classless…:no:

As it is, I’m pretty sure the OP is done with this thread. She got what she wanted (whatever that was)…

[Wish_Upon_a_Star2000]

[QUOTE=showidaho;7974112]
Where in Montana do you live, OP? I ask as I’m in the state and can point you in the direction of help.

On an aside, Meup gives EXCELLENT advice, is smart and an accomplished horsewoman. If some with 100 times more experience offers you help don’t take offense - take the advice.[/QUOTE]

I live in the northwestern part. OK thanks That’s great! I’d appreciate it

[Wish_Upon_a_Star2000]

[QUOTE=dacasodivine;7973618]
Chiming in as someone who read the other thread but didn’t post at all, I would not offer her advice. She does not want it.

Several people offered to give advise on her saddle fit. She was told how to get the best photos to show this. Nothing.

She seems to pick and choose which posts to read and often seems to skip over posts that were genuinely offering to help.

She has backtracked several times and changed what was originally stated. It doesn’t sit well when someone does that. I don’t know if she is a troll or crying for help but at this point I don’t think she really wants help as she rejects anything helpful.[/QUOTE]

Ok…I do have pictures but not sure how to post them. I did ask Meups for advice.Which, I never got…I do not skip over posts, altho these pages are certainly getting numerous. I’d love to have just one page full of helpful advice, instead of these 6 pages? of people arguing and tearing eachother down. Just saying. When did I change what was originally stated? I edited a post when I accidentally wrote ‘vet’ instead of farrier…and then edited my other thread as people said I used to many emoji’s? Is that what you are referring to? I do want advice (on how to start liberty training) and groundwork exercises. As far as my memory serves me correctly, that’s all I asked for? Have a good day

[Sarah616]

[QUOTE=Wish_Upon_a_Star2000;7976467]
Ok…I do have pictures but not sure how to post them. I did ask Meups for advice.Which, I never got…I do not skip over posts, altho these pages are certainly getting numerous. I’d love to have just one page full of helpful advice, instead of these 6 pages? of people arguing and tearing eachother down. Just saying. When did I change what was originally stated? I edited a post when I accidentally wrote ‘vet’ instead of farrier…and then edited my other thread as people said I used to many emoji’s? Is that what you are referring to? I do want advice (on how to start liberty training) and groundwork exercises. As far as my memory serves me correctly, that’s all I asked for? Have a good day[/QUOTE]

Holy. Moly. Meup, you’ve said everything I would have on these threads, had I found them sooner. I was going to request a picture, but you so kindly did that for me.

Wish - here is a photo hosting site: http://photobucket.com it will ask you to create an account, which you will need an email address for. Once you have your account, there is an Upload button. Click that, and you will be directed to all of the images on your computer. Select the image you want and upload it. Then, copy the URL in the bar at the top of your screen and paste it in a reply here. Pictures on your phone? If you have a smart phone, photobucket has an app. If not, email it to yourself via text message. Presto, photo proof,

[Calvincrowe]

I told her how to post pictures a few pages back. If an old lady like me can figure it out, you’d think a kid would be able to! I would love to see pics of the fistula.

NW Montana? There’s got to be professional horsemen in the area. I hope Wish gets hooked up with someone suggested by our Montana COTHrs. She seems to want help, but is unable to figure out how to get it.

I got warned off by the Mods for calling someone “condescending” on another thread. Just thought I’d mention it for those who are getting a bit hot at one another here and using far harsher terms. Or maybe you’ve already been messaged.

[Pennywell_Bay]

OP- in my opinion, you’d be better off working on ground manners, teaching her to load, basic lunging or round pen work. Personally, those “liberty” videos posted earlier - I can’t see how it’s going to help your situation but I can see how it can screw a horse up. (And personally I think it’s ridiculous, just like PP games or teaching your horse tricks- my opinion).

The basis for anything at liberty (I cringe) is control when you have the horse on a lead or long line. Get THAT foundation down, teach her to obey you on the lead before attempting anything off the lead.

Developing a good foundation with your mare will give you both confidence.

I hope you can meet up with someone or get some good advice on building ground work foundation.

Wishing you luck.

[Epona142]

imgur.com is 100x simpler and more streamlined than photobucket (In my personal opinion, of course) for anyone looking for something a little more fresh.

[LookmaNohands]

FYI: Liberty training is NOT for beginners. Carolyn Resnick is very clear that her method is not to be attempted by people who are new to horses or who cannot “read” a horse well.

Stay safe.

[Emilia]

[QUOTE=LookmaNohands;7977338]
FYI: Liberty training is NOT for beginners. Carolyn Resnick is very clear that her method is not to be attempted by people who are new to horses or who cannot “read” a horse well. .[/QUOTE]

I really think, C.Resnick is worth the study- her book, her blog entries, her DVDs.

I suggested C.Resnick, because her introduction to the liberty training is the only one, IMO, that can be done by relative newcomers to the horse world.

She is very good at warning people about being careful, about leaving horses plenty of space to withdraw, about signs of trouble to look for.

Also, she embraces the ambiguity and “going forward without really knowing for sure.” Still, she advocates safety first (back off, if things are getting awkward or wild).

She has said many times that the program can be studied and attempted by relative beginners if Waterhole Rituals are followed the way she suggests.

After all, first rituals have more to do with observing the horse and getting to know it than “liberty training,” as we picture it.

The speed of training is dictated by the horse.

I had no experience with liberty training and I accomplished some amazing feats with her program. I experienced “magic connection” she describes (although I do not particularly care for that term- little fluffy for my taste).

One might opine that I knew a lot coming from a riding club and all. Well, the problem with that setting is that many of us came out knowing how to ride and care for horses, but we did not really read them all that well.

I learnt to read horses and work with their energies much better after coming to the US and starting to experiment on my own.

The greatest part of the experimentation was observing the horses interacting among themselves (nearly impossible in our city stable, where we only got to see them interact freely, when we left for the summer quarters to the country) and later liberty training.

[Wish_Upon_a_Star2000]

OK here are pictures, for everyone who is worried this is a scam/troll/watchamacallit. Sorry it took so long, I haven’t been able to reply for awhile. Thanks for all your advice; I didn’t ignore any of it. Thank you! http://www.horsechannel.com/blog/ViewBio.aspx?apid=274428 <this is of Cowgirl
http://www.horsechannel.com/blog/ViewBio.aspx?apid=274419 <and this, is Princess Not sure if you all are familiar with Horse Channel, I like it alot. And photobucket wouldn’t work, neither would imgur. But thanks for your help guys! Y’all have a great day!

[Toadie_s_mom]

Wish, just FYI there’s no such measurement as 14.5hh Do you mean 14.2h? I don’t mean to be rude, but you don’t want to appear ignorant.

[Wish_Upon_a_Star2000]

[QUOTE=Toadie’s mom;7985678]
Wish, just FYI there’s no such measurement as 14.5hh Do you mean 14.2h? I don’t mean to be rude, but you don’t want to appear ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I guess not everyone agrees with me,but 14.5 is read as 14 and a half, which would be the same as 14.2…there is differing views on this also though I guess.
have a great night!

[Frizzle]

[QUOTE=Wish_Upon_a_Star2000;7986307]
I guess not everyone agrees with me,but 14.5 is read as 14 and a half, which would be the same as 14.2…there is differing views on this also though I guess.
have a great night![/QUOTE]

No. There is no such thing as 14.5. There are four inches in a hand. So, 14 and one half hands is 14.2.

[Doctracy]

Clicker training. Very easy and ffectie with a food food motivated horse.

[Pennywell_Bay]

[QUOTE=Wish_Upon_a_Star2000;7986307]
I guess not everyone agrees with me,but 14.5 is read as 14 and a half, which would be the same as 14.2…there is differing views on this also though I guess.
have a great night![/QUOTE]

Not bashing but I have ever heard of 14.5 or 14 and a half. Not even in the redneck area in which I now reside.

[findeight]

14.5 might be the correct way to express 14 and 1/2 in the scientific and mathematic worlds but in the horse world it’s 14.2…14 hands, 2 inches.

My Dad had the same problem with expressing and understanding 14.2 hands, he was an actual rocket scientist in the aerospace industry. Drove him nuts, often asked why, since we have all sorts of accurate measuring devices today we still use the many centuries old term hand to describe equines.

Not a reflection of IQ, just of not being well versed in the horse world. I cut OP a little slack on that one. Now she knows it’s never expressed as 14.5. In the horse world. She’s far from the only one I have ever heard making that mistake.