Well bully for you…take a tour around the internet-not everyone is so enlightened as you.
You need to define under run.
You need to look at conformation.
A horse with a natural broken back angle (upright pasterns), will have by definition an under run heel. ( at least 5 degrees difference between heel and toe angle)
I think when shoeing or trimming a horse, the changes in angle of the wall is more or less irreverent. If there is excess growth then remove it.
Trimming is about maintenance not fixing.
When I first inquired nearly a decade ago, Tom Stovall replied to me that one needs ONLY TWO (2) sources of information;[LIST=1]
The laws of gravity and leverage apply to all horses unconditionally. More often than not “methods or models” interfere with our thought process because they cause us to accept SUPPOSITIONS, arbitrary conditions, and constraints which have no fundamental basis in these LAWs.
Hence we do not THINK about the fundamental mechanical basis of what we’re doing (gravity and leverage), but instead we follow a method or recipe expecting to get the same result regardless of different ingredients - conformation, horn integrity, environmental pressure, etc.
Tom - I will add very basic understanding of geometry. 
eruss…I actually agree with you.
imagine.
goodness. I now have a crush on all the farriers responding. 
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When I first inquired nearly a decade ago, Tom Stovall replied to me that one needs ONLY TWO (2) sources of information;[LIST=1]
The laws of gravity and leverage apply to all horses unconditionally. More often than not “methods or models” interfere with our thought process because they cause us to accept SUPPOSITIONS, arbitrary conditions, and constraints which have no fundamental basis in these LAWs.
Hence we do not THINK about the fundamental mechanical basis of what we’re doing (gravity and leverage), but instead we follow a method or recipe expecting to get the same result regardless of different ingredients - conformation, horn integrity, environmental pressure, etc.[/QUOTE]
Great post! (I think this is what LMH has been saying but you have very clearly stated it.) I will now add you to my list of farriers that I would love to ride with:
- Rick Burton
- Tom Bloomer
Indeed. I look at geometry as subset of physics at least it was in most of my labs.
Really it’s not complicated since most of us learned the basic concepts in junior high. We just don’t get in the habit of using that stuff in our daily thought process. Then one day something clicks and we remember . . . Archimedes, Newton, Euclid, Pythagoras. Weak foot on the end of a long lever . . . yea, that will be a maintenance challenge. :yes:
are you trying to say the Tom Bloomer said in one paragraph what I have been trying to say in several pages.
Are you IMPLYING that I am VERBOSE???
If you understood you wouldn’t be creating posts about under run heels.
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If you understood you wouldn’t be creating posts about under run heels.[/QUOTE]
I think she understands.
LOL, obviously!
You should add Eric Russell to your list. :yes:
You have a license for that, don’t you?
And why do they call it a “brief” anyway?
Perhaps I did know and had a hidden agenda. Ask Vickey. She knows.
No thanks. Only referral’s Tom!
Well here is a thought to those trimmers that are forever trimming a horse to get the heel back to the widest part of the frog…which is ‘desirable’ but not always achievable.
If the heel angle is determined by DNA, and is so shallow that is grows forward, it seems to get the heel back on some horses would leave no choice but to over lower the heel.
The heels often seen in strasser trims come to mind?
No idea-odd considering attorneys used to be paid by the word.
What conformation does a heel grow forward but remain shallow?
