"Making Pegasus" Breeder in California

He invented the yin and yang. No one yin yangs better than him. People tell him that his yin yang is tremendous.

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We just don’t realize that out there in suburbia, especially in postage size backyards, there are huge wagons that the homeowner needs a big horse to pull. Heavy, heavy wagons made for a multi-horse hitch. This is a niche that is begging to be filled. Pegasus has realized this and has the solution.

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I just laughed out loud and almost spewed my drink.

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The real question is: Is he selling these ‘studs’? The offspring? How many are inbred? How many are ending up at auctions, bound for slaughter? I hate people like this guy.

Indiscriminate breeding (and sometimes, quite deliberate) means the auctions are full of skinny, unwanted, poorly conformed mutts and purebreds bound for slaughter. Sometimes they get lucky (like our beloved Nosey!) but most times, they suffer and suffer before their ignoble deaths.

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It’s troubling, isn’t it? He is right smack in dancing horse territory and those guys love big paints and Friesian crosses, the more hair the better, and stallions only please. Even the little boys ride stallions.

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Only when patterns are broken can new worlds emerge. Making Pegasus is creating the ultimate horse in fulfillment of Poseidon’s platform honoring the horse as the symbol of the effort to reacquaint humanity with the 3 most important concepts in all of consciousness

I’m sorry, what?

At a time when the world is utterly confused, lost in the issues, and divided, a return to an understanding of fundamental and foundational principles can solve every issue and challenge humanity faces.

So…so…crossbreeding a bunch of breeds together is going to…fix the world?

Why is it important for us to flourish? Because our star, the Sun, Sol, fuses 600 million tons of hydrogen into 596 million tons of helium every second. The lost mass of 4 million tons every second emanates out in all directions as heat and light energy. The constantly reduced mass of the Sun can no longer hold its surface in place and so is continually expanding. Our Sun has one destiny and one destiny only and that is to grow from the yellow dwarf star it is to a red giant star following the main sequence stars on the Hetrzsprung Russel diagram. Our Sun’s surface will eventually grow out to Mercury and fry and absorb it, then Venus, then the Earth and Mars and eventually reach out to Jupiter.

Oh dear…I feel like there are some GIANT leaps in logic there. Like…huge.

Honestly, it reads like an unmedicated schizophrenic’s writing. I don’t understand what any of these things have to do with each other. I mean sure, it’d be great if people were more introspective…but…uhhhh…ok.

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Just when you thought you’d heard it all! :roll_eyes: Amongst the many excellent questions already asked…

What happens when this magical cross produces…gasp…a filly?! If he’s produced 60 odd studs so far, then where did all the fillies go?

I’d love to know which Fresians, Percherons, QHs, etc used in this program are Olympic champions and thus worthy of the quest for world peace and enlightenment? :thinking:

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You don’t understand how a herd of crossbred stallions will prevent the sun from engulfing us by fulfilling Poseidon’s platform? What’s so hard to understand about that? :rofl:

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Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from A Mighty Wind…

This is not an occult science. This is not one of those crazy systems of divination and astrology. That stuff’s hooey, and you’ve got to have a screw loose to go in for that sort of thing. Our beliefs are fairly commonplace and simple to understand. Humankind is simply materialized color operating on the 49th vibration. You would make that conclusion walking down the street or going to the store.

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Because these horses will carry us off into space!
Apparently, this guy knows more about the future than actual NASA-consulted astronomers " “I am confident that the Sun will swallow Mercury and Venus, and not Mars. But the fate of the Earth – which resides in between – is less clear,” said astronomer Dimitri Veras at the University of Warwick." (https://science.nasa.gov/exoplanets/resources/life-and-death/chapter-6/) By the point the earth could be engulfed, it’d be completely toasted and uninhabitable anyway sooooo maybe speed up your super speshul magic horse production, bud.

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This is my new favorite thread :joy:

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Curious about behind the scenes. Are his stallions just running a bunch of ungelded colts in bachelor herds? There are no foals shown. No sold horses. It’s possible all the horses don’t exist but on the other hand you could likely pick up oops foals in unfortunate crossbreeds fairly cheap.

Not a horse person and clearly delusional. But perhaps he has money to throw at his hobby. Inheritance or IT stock options from a job before he lost his mind.

Curious to see what folks in his area have to say!

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Isn’t that an old song? :rofl:

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Well, y’all, this has happened before, and will happen again.

Hobby breeders with more money than sense, breeding a horse that fits their desires (fantasies) – regardless of if there is any market for said horses.

Georgian Grande. American version Gypsy Vanners. White TB’s (and pinto TB’s).

Oh, and the originating breeders keep their own registry and studbook, on their laptop.

They can often get some interest from a few people. But as far as building a growing fandom and ownership base for the new ‘breed’ … that’s something that even entrpreneurial businesses struggle to do, with a lot more expertise and market research.

What do people do with their horses? Is the seller’s horse really the best choice for each particular buyer, compared with the buyer’s other choices? Some of these hobby breeds have limited scope for what most horse owners want to do. No wonder they tend to accumulate in the original breeder’s over-stocked pastures.

The most serious issue I see with a hobby breed is that this is a long-lived animal that needs a suitable home and care for 25 years or so, if it lives out its natural lifespan – that’s 2x dog lifespan, for comparison. And a horse’s desirability to the broader scope of horse people is what determines its quality of life. Horses bred for the breeder, not the general market of horse owners.

At some point the horse is just a horse. The breed identity is lost or doesn’t matter. It’s just a horse among the other horses in the pasture, or the lesson barn, or the auction pen. What will attract someone to be interested in this horse, in comparison with their other choices?

There is so much fantasy and so little reality in many of these schemes. Some of the horses find a good life and do ok. But there are so many concerns of fairness to the animals for their lifetimes. The hobby-breed breeders rarely discuss this.

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There are a lot of foals on Instagram and Facebook. No idea about horses sold but this is the first time I have seen horses listed for sale, when I discovered this person last year I did not see any for sale ads.

So they are inventing one-off “breed names” for each of their horses? Since they don’t seem to be following a consistent cross / breed combination.

In other words – they are breeding random horses to release to the world, thinking that … I don’t know, I don’t get the next step of what the next owner will be doing with this horse.

One more concern – horses are expensive to keep, of course, and such large horses are even more expensive. Plus almost nothing off-the-rack of the standard State Line or Dover shop – tack, blankets, etc. – will fit these horses. Owners will have to find the draft-size providers and hope they have the stock. At a decent price.

Why do horse owners generally need huge fast horses? Amongst that extensive wall of words, I am not getting the purpose of this project.

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And you’ll breed the fastest horse in the world by infusing draft blood?

Too bad for him they must be a Clydesdale to enter, or he could have a go at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bm6AkAwgGg

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To fix all of humanity, before the sun evaporates us, duh. Oh and something about some dude with a trident.

I love me a good draft cross - generally great for amateurs in their temperaments, and if done well, can make an athletic-enough horse for many pursuits - especially the 1/4 draft, 1/2 TB, 1/4 QH types - great combo. I knew a gal that not only got some in (selectively) from the Premarin farms, but also raised some of her own, and raised really nice athletic crossbreds. She had bred other breeds before so she knew what she was doing. They were easy to break and train, stayed sound - great horses.

But - she called them what they were. Draft crosses. Not magical pixie fairy dust horses.

The Gypsy Vanners seem to be doing good business still (I have two friends who are into them) although I wouldn’t want one because hairy pony is not what I think of when I think of an ideal mount. But they fetch a decent price because they are amateur friendly and “pretty”. I’m not sure if the “American” version is a different registry, hers are all registered by some official registry.

I think the Grande blew up in some flames when the breeder shot someone, but some of the horses were really nice.

The problem with crossbreds in my view is not necessarily that someone breeds them, or that they don’t come out nicely, or even that someone has a view that they are trying to create something - after all, that’s how we got the breeds we have - but that for whatever reason it seems to be something that attracts complete whackadoodles and some of them seem to want to breed a LOT of them instead of breeding the number of individuals that makes sense for what they are trying to create.

This guy seems like he fits squarely into the whackadoodle category.

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A pig eyed draft cross that should not reproduce.
Why is it that people don’t educate themselves about their hobby or “profession” (I’m guessing he considers himself a professional) before they jump in with both feet?

This guy takes the cake. I wonder about mental illness as well.

Those poor horses, some of which will no doubt end up at auction.

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Spot on! :joy:

His astrologist must have told him to breed horses. Maybe we can convince him to try making centaurs instead. His mind would clump together like little radioactive atoms in a nuclear fusion reaction in those far off stars he’s babbling about.

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