Marilyn Little's horse bleeds yet again. Red rag to a groom.

[roseymare]

@Jealoushe

People were curious what UL riders thought? Check this out. Especially sad to see a very famous UL groom agreeing with him.

https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.holling.5/posts/776951789168649

That attitude will not fly though. Perception is reality.

[roseymare]

@Jealoushe

Caring about the welfare and holding officials accountable… how dare we. Almost makes me think ULRs have a dark secret they don’t want out.

The responses are starting to sound quite a bit like heavy shod TWH trainers did/do…

[JenJ]

those comments suggesting this is simply part of the sport, that we smurfs should shut up and mind our own unintelligent/ armchair business,make me sick
I know whose clinics, sponsors etc I will not be supporting - and yes I will inform them of that

[Equibrit]

@HappyAppys

Interesting, while watching Badminton dressage during Mark Todds test the commentators remarked that his horses mouth was more active and open than usual. Pammy commented that was because the nosebands are now being placed looser. Hmmmmm not exactly sure what she meant and if it was in anyway a reaction by the riders to the fallout with ML at Kentucky. If so, than maybe positive things are happening as a result of the backlash.

I doubt it. Some countries in Europe have rules governing the amount of space under the noseband.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/…ds-2018-635162

There has also been a study done on how to measure tightness.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art…l.pone.0168996

It’s not like these things have been secret. You either take note and make changes, or you ignore the information and carry on regardless.

[Denali6298]

@JenJ

those comments suggesting this is simply part of the sport, that we smurfs should shut up and mind our own unintelligent/ armchair business,make me sick
I know whose clinics, sponsors etc I will not be supporting - and yes I will inform them of that

Yeah at least we are getting a who’s who

[roseymare]

@Denali6298

This. So much this. I was telling my SO about all this last night and he asked why I would want to be a part of such a system. He said why not just ride your horse and be happy. You can go school right?

That is the non-horse public opinion. And he’s right. I’ll try to change the system as much as a little no name like myself can. I’m just glad at this point my trainer has publicly denounced this and I am not forced to look for a new one.

And this is the fallout that I was referring to in my post. It has already happened in other breeds and disciplines. If you don’t have “feeders” you don’t have the top- eventually.

[HappyAppys]

Equibrit so According to the study, there was a “very clear correlation” between the tightness of the noseband and the occurrence of these oral lesions.
So tight nosebands have been outlawed. They state it was done for the welfare of the horse. So if the top eventers in the U.K. ect… can deal with this rule and putting the welfare of their horses first. Maybe it’s time for the riders opposed here in the U.S. to deal with it and learn how to ride without their horses mouths being cranked shut.

[MNEventer]

@OverandOnward

Packy, dear, don’t even go there. Come spend some time in the LL dungeons before you even pull that one out.

Had a friend disqualified in BN dressage warm-up because her horse was a bit flinchy on the rocky ground around it. Even though the vet was called over to watch her horse warm-up in the sand arena and said there was nothing wrong with the mare. The judge had decided, the TD backed the judge, and that was that.

That wasn’t a cheap weekend for her.

At another expensive LL weekend, saw a number of riders DQ’d in show jumping when the finish flags weren’t marked correctly and one after the other didn’t pass through them, because of an error of the officials. One. After. The. Other. Everyone asking why and the judge refusing to answer because she was busy watching the next one fail. Finally someone stopped the parade and got the finish flags adjusted, no one else DQ’d. But the other DQ’s stood. To fix the unfair, outside-of-rules results? Written grievance, go through the whole process.

Holds on course aren’t timed properly. Unschooled volunteers make scoring errors or timing errors. Etc. & so on.

Oh but the smurfs aren’t allowed to be competitive, care about why they paid entry fees for a scored competition, or have voices.

A minor injury got a BNR DQ’d, one who competes several horses every single weekend of the season? Boo-hoo.

And smurfs usually pay their own competition costs, not wealthy owners or sponsors. If a LL rider gets DQ’d because the officials didn’t place the finish flags properly, that’s hundreds or thousands of dollars out of their own pockets. With a lot of the BNRs, someone else is paying those costs. I don’t see why that’s a larger tragedy.

[tbchick84]

@Denali6298

Yeah at least we are getting a who’s who

I read the one FB post. Are there other ULRs telling the smurfs to mind their own business?

[Equibrit]

@HappyAppys

Equibrit so According to the study, there was a “very clear correlation” between the tightness of the noseband and the occurrence of these oral lesions.
So tight nosebands have been outlawed. They state it was done for the welfare of the horse. So if the top eventers in the U.K. ect… can deal with this rule and putting the welfare of their horses first. Maybe it’s time for the riders opposed here in the U.S. to deal with it and learn how to ride without their horses mouths being cranked shut.

As far as I know there is no rule in the UK.

[Equibrit]

@HappyAppys

Equibrit so According to the study, there was a “very clear correlation” between the tightness of the noseband and the occurrence of these oral lesions.
So tight nosebands have been outlawed. They state it was done for the welfare of the horse. So if the top eventers in the U.K. ect… can deal with this rule and putting the welfare of their horses first. Maybe it’s time for the riders opposed here in the U.S. to deal with it and learn how to ride without their horses mouths being cranked shut.

[Jealoushe]

Here’s another former BNR

https://www.facebook.com/bruce.mandeville.5/posts/10156073850062559

[Jealoushe]

I think these ULRs are scares they have to keep sound healthy horses now. God forbid.

[fordtraktor]

Well I think Jon Holling is right. I can’t believe none of your horses come back with the odd scratch from XC schools. I have some very talented jumpers and it is fairly rare to come back from a clinic or hard school without some sort of scratch somewhere. I bet there are not a dozen horses coming off Rolex with nothing.

for example, recall Chris Burton’s horse had a boot rub which he said led to it being held. I saw Honor Me come off with its hind boots slid down to the ankles, can’t imagine that was nothing. Z slid over half a dozen jumps, that likely left a mark. Cooley MC was quite green over a few in the beginning. Unlikely there was no scratch. Roxy and MJ crawled over/sprawled on that fence in the Head of the Lake, can’t tell me she didn’t lose any hair during that. I could go on and on since I watched the XC. And who knows what happened on the many, many fences out of sight.

Stop the ostrich act. You want no scratches? This is not a sport for you. And I am the first person to point out if something seems lame or uneven here.

[Jealoushe]

@fordtraktor

Well I think Jon Holling is right. I can’t believe none of your horses come back with the odd scratch from XC schools. I have some very talented jumpers and it is fairly rare to come back from a clinic or hard school without some sort of scratch somewhere. I bet there are not a dozen horses coming off Rolex with nothing.

for example, recall Chris Burton’s horse had a boot rub which he said led to it being held. I saw Honor Me come off with its hind boots slid down to the ankles, can’t imagine that was nothing. Z slid over half a dozen jumps, that likely left a mark. Cooley MC was quite green over a few in the beginning. Unlikely there was no scratch. Roxy and MJ crawled over/sprawled on that fence in the Head of the Lake, can’t tell me she didn’t lose any hair during that. I could go on and on since I watched the XC. And who knows what happened on the many, many fences out of sight.

Stop the ostrich act. You want no scratches? This is not a sport for you.

The fact you think this is about minor “scratches” is mind boggling.

[fordtraktor]

He is saying “be careful what you wish for.” Because a scratch = elimination under what many people want. A 100% blood rule is that.

unkess what you want is just ML eliminated, in which case this is a witch hunt given the horse bit its lip, not damage by the bit itself.

riders aren’t speaking up because of your knee jerk reaction. Also, I was not clear in that most of those horses likely had blood, not just hair loss. Maybe all of them. I am sure many more.

[tbchick84]

@fordtraktor

unkess what you want is just ML eliminated, in which case this is a witch hunt given the horse bit its lip, not damage by the bit itself.

riders aren’t speaking up because of your knee jerk reaction. Also, I was not clear in that most of those horses likely had blood, not just hair loss.

Funny, the blood only seems to continually show up on a single rider’s horses. There is nothing knee jerk about wanting to see the current rules enforced in a situation where the horse mysteriously bites her lip every freakin’ time.

We’ve all treated the odd scratch or cut time to time, but most of us have the common sense to revisit our riding or equipment when the same problem continues to persist. It would be nice to see the same practice with riders far more visible in the sport.

[Jealoushe]

@fordtraktor

He is saying “be careful what you wish for.” Because a scratch = elimination under what many people want. A 100% blood rule is that.

unkess what you want is just ML eliminated, in which case this is a witch hunt given the horse bit its lip, not damage by the bit itself.

riders aren’t speaking up because of your knee jerk reaction. Also, I was not clear in that most of those horses likely had blood, not just hair loss. Maybe all of them. I am sure many more.

Horses already are eliminated for “just a scratch”. Callie Evans is a famous case of that.

[Denali6298]

@fordtraktor

He is saying “be careful what you wish for.” Because a scratch = elimination under what many people want. A 100% blood rule is that.

unkess what you want is just ML eliminated, in which case this is a witch hunt given the horse bit its lip, not damage by the bit itself.

riders aren’t speaking up because of your knee jerk reaction. Also, I was not clear in that most of those horses likely had blood, not just hair loss. Maybe all of them. I am sure many more.

Crazy I know. But routine? Sorry no. But I am a nobody. Clearly a no blood rule needs to happen. But that’s an opinion from a nobody. I’m really appalled right now.

[vxf111]

@Denali6298

Crazy I know. But routine? Sorry no. But I am a nobody. Clearly a no blood rule needs to happen. But that’s an opinion from a nobody. I’m really appalled right now.

I mean, them’s the breaks right? Sometimes your horse steps on a rock and gets spun at the jog and is sound the next day but you’re still out. Sometimes it only rains during your jump off. Sometimes the footing is sh*t when you go cuz you’re last. Oh well, such is life. You bleed-- you’re out today.