She says whatever is going to make her sound contentious at the time, obviously. We really shouldn’t expect logic.
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Hopefully we will have a new legal posting today!
Reminder - don’t take the bait!
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Oh, this is my kind of question, I can help you with this.
Though I am not sure when we will hear because from what I understand from a post here that the posted date for these things in the NJ means the first possible time you may hear. Boo Hiss on waiting longer.
So…what are we waiting for from the NJ court system right now…
The judges decisions on the following Kanarek family blunders:
Lauren Kanarek refusing to appear in NJ for her deposition in the civil case that she filed, in NJ. She claims covid fears but has shown time and time again that the only covid fear she has applies to going to NJ for a deposition.
Kirby Kanarek ( @Seeker1 ), Lauren’s mother, ignored a subpoena asking for the transcripts of the illegal recording, transcripts that she has bragged on this forum about making. Transcripts that she has said on this forum, along with Lauren saying all over social media, that they have sent to lots of various places. The ignored subpoena lead to a contempt filing.
Jonathan Kanarek ( @Inigo-montoya ), Lauren’s father, also a lawyer who we all know should have at least some basic actual legal knowledge but represents by his actions in this situation that this might not be the case, ignored his subpoena asking for communications he was part of. What lawyer ignores a subpoena? I mean, isn’t that taught in ‘hey you want to be a lawyer 101’? The ignored subpoena also lead to a contempt filing.
After the deadline for both Subpoenas past and the contempt filing was made the lawyer that represent Lauren, but not Johathan and Kirby filed something to quash (way cool word that I learned on this very forum because of this very topic) the subpoenas because they are overly burdensome. I guess sending transcripts to all those places was easy, but sending them to the courts is just too freaking hard? I don’t know.
I am not sure if the judge will say anything about the private note that Jonathan sent the judge. Another thing I have to assume is taught very early on in the whole law school training thing, do not send private letters to the judge in the civil case of your daughter that you have no legal standing in. I wonder if they did not explain it in a way that made it clear when Jonathan Kanarek was in law school?
Maybe the legally smart posters can clarify on this topic, is there something waiting on private letter topic other than the horror of shopping lists being seen?
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Maybe he was napping at the time.
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This is a VERY good point. They did brag about sending the various places. I hope the attys can pull those claims and bring those into the discussion, as they did with JK’s claims that he and KK were ready, willing, and able to sit for depositions.
I genuinely don’t get what they think they are accomplishing here. It’s like watching those trashy ‘reality’ TV programmes where one person lies and says, ‘I didn’t kiss/sleep with her/him’ and I think, what’s the point in lying; it’s on camera and you know it will be shown.
Same here. They have all said so many things on line that contradict their filings. Even with the breathtaking amount of editing and deletion this crew indulges in, they must know - surely they must know - it’s all been captured.
Why bother with the ham-fisted, obvious, super-lame lies? It’s all out there, because they put it all out there.
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Why are we quoting other posters from months ago, in entirely different threads, then complaining when they respond that they aren’t ignoring you and asking others to not take the bait? Let’s keep this thread open.
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To me, this is the most laughable part of the K-Klan’s latest legal hopscotch.
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Yes. I think it is tied with the whole letter to the judge thing but yes so funny that these transcripts were being mailed to everyone and anyone that they might be used to ruin the lives of others but suddenly when the court case is here they are not available and it is a burden to produce them.
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I think when you get away with being full of sh*t for so long, you think that it works every time and you genuinely don’t know and can’t comprehend any other way.
It’s as if one might think that people will just take your word for it. Maybe because intimidation tactics have worked in the past, or people just “believe” you and back off–they really don’t believe you but also don’t want to be involved in the dumpster fire so they nod and back away slowly while the otherside feels that they’ve “gotten away with it” and so the odd behavior continues.
I don’t know. Some people are just so far removed from reality that it’s just bizarre. The most frightening thing about it all is that you really can’t bring them back into reality or communicate with them at all. That’s what I “fear” the most about these type of people, you can’t reason or converse with them at all. They’re very abnormal and dysfunctional.
I say fear, but I don’t know if that’s the term that I’m looking for exactly.
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As we have seen delays in this lawsuit, driven by the Plaintiff, I have started to wonder how frequently such a situation occurs. No matter one’s level of culpability/liability, if one is sued one must engage counsel and “deal” with the demands and courts and incur expenses. What protections are there to protect people from this frivolity? I think this is why people get nervous when people threaten to sue. It doesn’t matter if there are no grounds or you may prevail. It still costs money. Does a defendant get their expenses back from Plaintiff if a case is thrown out by a judge? Or do they have to counter sue for that to happen?
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As far as costs, the winning party may ask to receive attorneys fees and associated costs. Where I work anyway, an attorney would have to file an affidavit listing all his attorney fees, file them with the court and then the court will issue a ruling/decision on recoupment of said fees.
Some states also have some sort or frivolous lawsuit laws. Say you have someone who is a frequent flyer in a court and actually files many lawsuits, the court can issue a ruling telling them they will not accept any more frivolous lawsuits on their behalf.
the above may be simplified and maybe not totally correct as I am not awake yet and have not had enough caffeine.
Morning ya’ll!
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Those are great pictures! I love the one of you between the ears!
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They have to counter sue to get anything. As Maria said, the general rule is that everyone pays their own costs unless there’s a really good reason to make the loser pay. If the case is dismissed, no one lost because the court didn’t decide anything on the merits of the case. Honestly I suspect the judge may decide this case should not be dismissed, given the egregious actions by the plaintiff and her lawyer.
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Sucks for her that her plan didn’t work out the way she wanted
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And then hope the person pays or you have to turn around and sue for payment!
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Not to drag politics into it, but there is a fairly well known political figure who has an extremely long history of manipulating the court system in order to avoid legal liability, going back decades and decades. That person seems to have an extremely well practiced method of using all available tactics to deny, delay, deflect, etc., etc.
Unfortunately, that seems to work pretty well when the other party does not have unlimited funds to pursue the case. However, maybe that will finally change in the near future.
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Oh, has Barisone been released?
Unconditionally released and permitted to leave NJ? Has his SS suspension been removed?
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Some options include motion to dismiss, motion for summary judgment, motion to compel and then followed up by motion for sanctions (which may include judgment) if subsequent orders to compel are not followed. In this case, defendants have initiated counterclaims which could still go forward, including with the discovery sanctions options if the other side does not comply with the process. But throwing the case out or getting judgment early doesn’t often result in you getting all the damages you have claimed since you didn’t get through all of the process to prove your case, but you might be able to recoup some costs and attorney’s fees. And the case could always settle—don’t think that the defendant is the one who always pays in settlement; far from it. But seems like settlement is not likely to happen here anytime soon.
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Worry not. No need to fret. MB will be released, will be able to leave NJ and will have the suspension lifted being he was found NOT GUILTY after all.
The insanity portion merely delays the inevitable. Surely you must know its coming.
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But yet, we did drag politics into it.
And this tactic is not new to anyone recent. It has been going on for both sides of the political aisle for as long as pretty much everyone here has been alive.
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