MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[Sdel]

@hut-ho78

I’m supposed to get this done by messaging her alleged parents to ask details about horse purchases? And they would tell a random internet poster right before the civil trial? Yeah, I think I’ll pass on that one.

Really? Reading comprehension issues again?

[Warmblood1]

@SusanO

I just wonder about the angle that LK was keeping MB afloat with her “deal”. Now I know there were probably some other revenue streams besides board and training - the horse purchase and most likely there were commissions on the horse LK imported. But still $5k was really cheap for just two horses and then you throw in a place to live. BUT unless you travel in those circles you would not realize MB was likely losing money or barely breaking even on this deal. Most people would hear $5 k a month, even for 4 horses, and think WOW she was really paying through the nose. She must be the reason he could keep his barn open and pay his people.

Heck my parents would think that was an outrageous sum of money and he should have been grateful for her monthly check. So many of the viewers just won’t realize she was getting a really sweet deal since they have no clue. I couldn’t pay that but I know how much that kind of program costs. I doubt the average viewer does though.

This can be easily disputed with testimony and financial information. According to testimony, it took 40-50k a month to operate HH. 5k would be about 10 percent of operating costs. Hardly keeping anything afloat. It’s a weak argument. Also, MB hasn’t opened his mouth to dispute that fact yet either. MB was able to develop HH, purchase/own the farm in FL, have numerous investments, and establish wealth far before LK ever entered the picture. Sure, he went through a divorce but still maintained millions in assets just by his ownership in the 2 facilities and horses alone, let alone all the investments we don’t even know about.

ETA: I forgot to mention the relevance to this thread… JK may moan and groan about MB needing LK financially in the 48 Hours episode but all of his groaning can, and I’m certain will, be easily disputed in the civil trial. Easily disputed with legitimate financial documents, etc.

[ekat]

@3PonyFarm

Deininger posted two filings but I wasn’t able to open.

Here you go! Also a fun one to read!

MB OPP MOT QUASH.pdf (3.2 MB)

[3PonyFarm]

Thank you!

[ekat]

You’re welcome!

[erinmeri]

I keep looking back at old IM posts and they are interesting! This one stands out (and may explain some of JK’s legal prowess or more accurately, lack thereof):

Barisone Criminal Case Update

I believe he was involved in business…and not the porn business as has been suggested here…lol. Lots of people go to law school and even if they’re admitted to the Bar they never practice law…they go to Wall Street, real estate, private business, whatever.

I want to take this moment to say that if it is true that (upon information and belief) IM is JK, I apologize to the several of you who suggested to me privately that IM was JK. I know I scoffed at that. I have messaged a few of you, but at this point I can’t remember who all said that to me (it was a LOT, you eagle eyed old hags, you!). Mea culpa.

[Knights_Mom]

RICO law has been applied to sports teams, individuals, police departments, politicians etc. It’s not just mafia or drug cartels any more.

[erinmeri]

@ekat

Here you go! Also a fun one to read!

Is there only the one for Kirby? Also, I got about two paragraphs in and I think he may be giving Silver a run for his money.

[ekat]

Yeah, the other filing just links the original motion to quash.

Deininger = Kirby
Silver = Jonathan

[ekat]

@Sdel

Well, why don’t you ask her? She’s been here for a while. So far she’s declined to comment at all. So far, she’s been the smartest one involved so I don’t expect her to say anything now.

I’m confused. Why are we pondering more horses? She already had Two she brought with her, one in retirement, purchased JayT from Michael and the overseas horse from someone else before she ever moved to the farm, if I understand her testimony correctly. So, 5 horses total.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

Here you go! Also a fun one to read!

MB OPP MOT QUASH.pdf (3.2 MB)

Just got done reading that one as well.

@Knights_Mom - you feature prominently in the exhibits

These people were warned by literally EVERYONE that engaging in debates on the forums about the facts of a case while there was civil litigation in process was a BAD idea. But… they clearly think they are smarter than everyone else.

Ooops.

[trubandloki]

@ekat

@Sdel

Well, why don’t you ask her? She’s been here for a while. So far she’s declined to comment at all. So far, she’s been the smartest one involved so I don’t expect her to say anything now.

I’m confused. Why are we pondering more horses? She already Two she brought with her, one in retirement, purchased JayT from Michael and the overseas horse from someone else before she ever moved to the farm, if I understand her testimony correctly. So, 5 horses total.

The way I understood it, she owned all the other horses, the only one she bought while there was JayT. None of the other horse purchases had anything to do with Michael. She was boarding two horses, and that multiplied.

[erinmeri]

Holy cow. That was some excellent legalese! And the fact that he outlines precisely how JK and KK may have been involved in the campaign of terror is compelling.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

The way I understood it, she owned all the other horses, the only one she bought while there was JayT. None of the other horse purchases had anything to do with Michael. She was boarding two horses, and that multiplied.

But the price of board/barter/whatever did not multiply proportionally. So, why would Michael want to help her collect more at his expense? Interesting theory I suppose.

[trubandloki]

@ekat

@trubandloki

The way I understood it, she owned all the other horses, the only one she bought while there was JayT. None of the other horse purchases had anything to do with Michael. She was boarding two horses, and that multiplied.

But the price of board/barter/whatever did not multiply proportionally. So, why would Michael want to help her collect more at his expense? Interesting theory I suppose.

I agree with you. It makes no sense that anyone would consider someone that he needs to have around for her money or why anyone would think it is a positive that she brings more horses but no more money.

On the other topic - It is such a pleasure to read the response by these two lawyers. They are brilliant men.
I love that it was brought up that both Kirby and Jonathan Kanarek feel they are above the law.

[ekat]

@erinmeri

Holy cow. That was some excellent legalese! And the fact that he outlines precisely how JK and KK may have been involved in the campaign of terror is compelling.

Between the two filed today, there is quite a picture painted re: Jonathan and Kirby Kanarek, isn’t there?

[trubandloki]

@ekat

@erinmeri

Holy cow. That was some excellent legalese! And the fact that he outlines precisely how JK and KK may have been involved in the campaign of terror is compelling.

Between the two filed today, there is quite a picture painted re: Jonathan and Kirby Kanarek, isn’t there?

If you think about it, what we are learning is what we (many of us) have thought all along. Now we just have proof of it.

[Knights_Mom]

@erinmeri

Holy cow. That was some excellent legalese! And the fact that he outlines precisely how JK and KK may have been involved in the campaign of terror is compelling.

Puts them on the hook and he can add them to the case. It probably causes other headaches for them as well as far as being a witness, testimony though I’m not a trial lawyer so I can’t exactly say.

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

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@hut-ho78

I wondered if he thought she would buy every horse through him but instead, she only bought JT and then she bought the others through her friend instead? She did say she bought more at MB’s instruction about having to have two at each level in case one is lame. That is a quite a bunch of horses. I always say you can justify owning two because then you can give both arms a good workout while rehabbing/handwalking both of them at the same time.

Point being that part of his anticipated income stream from her may have been the purchase of more really nice horses. MB and MHG had several young ones coming along for sale and with their connections could probably make some calls and locate anything one would ever want.

She thought he would be her trainer. He thought his assistants would.

“What we have (had) here was a failure to communicate.” Cool Hand Luke.

It is important to know as fact that LK came to Hawthorne Hill with all of her horses with the exception of Jay-T, who she purchased directly from Michael.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

I screenshotted a specific part of Deininger’s filing with the respect to Kirby and her transcripts…

It ties to the SafeSport complaint. Apparently JK and KK actually wrote a “Summary” of the SS complaint about MB for LK, and this was part of what was submitted right before the shooting, which apparently resulted in SafeSport urgently contacting local CPS to go out and do a welfare check with respect to MHG’s kids.

I highlighted the specific portion of interest

It’s also interesting to pause and think about the fact that ILLEGAL RECORDINGS were part of the evidence submitted to SafeSport regarding MB. If he gets released at the 6 month hearing, at some point he should have the opportunity to appeal his SafeSport ban (if they don’t choose to amend or lift it). I would think the fact that these recordings were made illegally, as part of a broader intentional harassment campaign… well… that might be something that helps him make the case his ban should be overturned.