MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[DownYonder]

@Warmblood1

And how much alcohol would one have to drink to deal with a client like this?

The possibility of a lot of (habitual - ?) alcohol has certainly crossed my mind. It could indeed have been a factor in his decision to accept the client, and in his drafting of that extraordinarily bad and amateurish filing such as he submitted last week.

But then again, he was probably only presented with details about the client and the “defendants” that painted a picture of a slam-dunk case. Remember that LK’s suit was filed before the criminal trial, so Nagel may have assumed - like LK - that the case would be a quick victory. He would lean on MB and SGF a little bit, the carrier of their liability policy would immediately offer a settlement, LK would get her win, and he could add another jewel to his crown of accolades.

It must have been a bit of a shock to him to have learned more about his client over the past few years.

[DownYonder]

@Mersidoats

She was a big fish in a small pond. It’s easy to pick on people and throw your weight around when you are a big, nasty, vocal, fish in a small pond. If you are fish who hates to lose, you develop all sorts of nasty habits and tactics to intimidate everyone who gets in your way. Your ego grows, you start to think you are invincible, untouchable, and deserve to get your way all the time.

Now the fish is in a much bigger pond, and under a much bigger microscope. But that doesn’t mean it’s ego is any smaller. No, egos rarely shrink. They tend to stay perpetually bloated after a certain number of years. The fishy is so used to getting what it wants that it doesn’t see any other possible way forward. It has to win.

Nailed it.

[DownYonder]

@EADoug

Beyond grateful I got out before things got bad. As we can see, not all are so lucky.

So glad you were able to get out safely. People who have never come into contact with individuals like this have NO idea of how bad it can get. Normal folks assume everyone else is also normal. NOT SO - and the sooner someone realizes another person is an NPD-type, the sooner they can start learning how to avoid further involvement with that person.

[DownYonder]

@Warmblood1

Just looked and ED is also from Roseland NJ. I would guess that JK has history with them both and called in a favor to represent LK. I have to wonder if they would have represented her had they not known JK. Also wonder if they are regretting it now. Could be why Nagel’s court docs have been so weak - he is resentfully doing a favor for JK.

Couldn’t he drop LK as a client? Or tell them he has reconsidered and isn’t going to do any more on a contingency basis?

And I am now starting to wonder if he hasn’t pressed forward with things because he hasn’t gotten paid/reimbursed for things such as paralegal costs, copying costs, filing fees, etc.

[EADoug]

@DownYonder

So glad you were able to get out safely. People who have never come into contact with individuals like this have NO idea of how bad it can get. Normal folks assume everyone else is also normal. NOT SO - and the sooner someone realizes another person is an NPD-type, the sooner they can start learning how to avoid further involvement with that person.

Yes, I started to put the flags in an ever growing pile early. Then it took a few months to get out safe. Included a stint with parents across the country and moving to a new apartment on return. Crazy for what ended up as just a 6 month relationship. Felt like years. (I was in my late 20s at the time)

I’m much more on guard when I see the first few flags now.

[Knights_Mom]

@DownYonder

And coupled with extreme delusions of grandeur, which means they will stop at nothing to make sure they win.

Everyone needs to always remember this part.

[DownYonder]

@FitzE

@LilRanger

Edited for typos. Unlike @FitzE, I do do typos!

Oh, love, I make them like it’s my job!!

However, it also is literally my job to catch them in the professional setting before sending them out to a client or opposing counsel - Lord help me if I sent them to the court system!!

Just curious - doesn’t an attorney typically have their paralegal proofread something before it is filed?

I (luckily) haven’t had to retain an attorney very often, but I remember when working with an attorney to settle my father’s estate, she mentioned several times she needed to get her paralegal to glance at a document before they sent it out.

[LexInVA]

@Warmblood1

@Sdel

@Warmblood1

Just looked at locations on google and considering JK, who is from Livingston, is only 10 minutes from Nagel, who is in Roseland, I bet you’re very much right in that they have some sort of history together, and I think that also lends to Nagel doing a contingency basis.

Probably the same with ED.

True. Just looked and ED is also from Roseland NJ. I would guess that JK has history with them both and called in a favor to represent LK. I have to wonder if they would have represented her had they not known JK. Also wonder if they are regretting it now. Could be why Nagel’s court docs have been so weak - he is resentfully doing a favor for JK.

Initially, the lawyer who was assigned by Nagel to handle the case was a firm partner and underling named Andrew O’Connor. He is a straight-up Ambulance Chaser, like Nagel is. When things got to the point where a criminal trial was inevitable due to MB’s refusal to plead guilty or accept the plea bargains presented to him by the prosecutor and the civil case seemed like the best win for $$$$, the case was redirected to Nagel, possibly at the request of JK.

Before that though, LK - through her Father - was represented by Edward David, a Business/Corporate attorney - referred to as the Kanarek family attorney in news articles - whose firm is in the same office building as Nagel’s.

[FitzE]

No, paralegals would never fill that role in the BigLaw firms I worked in. It would be the attorneys on the team as the document goes through internal review and, if you’re lucky, you get your document production team involved and they are the final sets of eyes to catch typos, formatting errors, cross referencing errors, etc.

[DownYonder]

@LilRanger

I’m just a terrible editor of my own writing!

Everyone is. I write for a profession, and despite glancing over everything several times before releasing a document, I inevitably miss typos and grammatical issues. And when you look at something multiple times, you develop a “schetoma” - your mind literally cannot see errors. That’s why my team does peer reviews at work before we release something for publication, or even for review by another team.

[FitzE]

This. One cannot fully proof one’s own work. You read what you think you wrote. There are tricks, like going sentence by sentence from the bottom of a paragraph up so that you are NOT reading along with the narrative. But it’s hard to final proof your own writing.

[trubandloki]

@FitzE

But it’s hard to final proof your own writing.

Clearly, Bruce would agree with you!

[LilRanger]

@DownYonder

Just curious - doesn’t an attorney typically have their paralegal proofread something before it is filed?

Yes, if they have time before the deadline, and if they have a paralegal who has the time before a filing is due.

[trubandloki]

I would assume that if they typically write this poorly that they have someone…anyone…on staff to proof their documents before they go out.
I think the person who cleans the office every evening could have proofed that document and made it better.

[LilRanger]

@FitzE

No, paralegals would never fill that role in the BigLaw firms I worked in. It

I’ve never worked in BigLaw, it seems very intimidating and pressurized. My hat’s off to you, @FitzE!

And thank you,

@DownYonder

“schetoma”

I never knew it had a name, thank you!

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Could this be because the answers during that part of discovery were - my paraphrasing - go find it yourself, it is out there?

Good question. It appears things were previously requested by the way Mr Deininger wrote the last paragraph of his Notice of Deposition. It is unclear why he is asking again, but one could read between the lines and infer he has not received requested documents yet.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

I think the person who cleans the office every evening could have proofed that document and made it better

Too bad Bruce doesn’t have a good vacuumer on staff!

[cutter99]

@LiberalSnowflake

You win the Interwebz today @LiberalSnowflake!!!

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@trubandloki

I think the person who cleans the office every evening could have proofed that document and made it better

Too bad Bruce doesn’t have a good vacuumer on staff!

Ha we don’t proof read. We accept or we reject based on sufficiency.

[DownYonder]

@LilRanger

@DownYonder

“schetoma”

I never knew it had a name, thank you!

And just like that - I made a spelling error. It’s spelled scotoma. Is there an emoji for “hanging my head in shame”?