MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

I think we are speculating hard on MB’s meds. I have no idea if he weaned. No idea if he stopped cold turkey. Some anxiety meds, such as non-narcotic anxiety meds that would be more likely prescribed than a controlled substance in this case, can be stopped cold turkey. No idea if his meds needed weaning. No idea why he stopped them. No idea if he should have continued them. We just do not have enough information

Part of what may be missing was briefly touched upon upthread. Jails give out the meds they have, which are often the cheapest most accessible formularies. You can go in with long-standing records of use of say, amlodopine for high blood pressure, but all the jail has is Telmisarten. So you are now taking that and hoping for the best. Then you move to a new facility which may have what the jail gave you, or your previous prescription, or a third option, and there’s adjustment again.

I’m no doctor, nor do I have any knowledge of MIchael’s meds. But I do know that sometimes you’re stuck with what they have, and if you are dealing with adverse reactions, but there aren’t other options, quitting the meds can make a little sense in that regard.

[trubandloki]

@Warmblood1

Well, that help was court ordered. I’m not saying MB wouldn’t have chosen psychiatric help regardless.

It was covered in the trial, wasn’t it? Michael had a long term therapist. That was not court ordered or anything. He was dealing successfully with his problems.

@ekat

Odds are good six months from now she’s still going to be posting on what then will be year-old youtube videos of the trial, taunting people with the recordings and patience and all that.

And posting lies like the one where she says she sat thru the whole trial. Well, I guess it is not a lie, she was probably sitting in that other room while she napped waiting to be on the stand.

@Warmblood1

I really, truly hope that this entire situation was a wake up call for LK

It looks like it was not a wake-up call for anyone in the Kanarek family.

[LilRanger]

@FitzE

If he says responses were sent and got lost but they weren’t (

That is a good point, yes. I’m guessing IM is trying to do that thing where you talk about everything in the same tense, hoping no one notices timelines.
But in light of your input I’ll change my stance to IM is creating a story that makes them feel like they aren’t lying, rather than IM isn’t lying

[Hightale]

The mods removed their disgusting posts

[trubandloki]

@Hightale

The mods removed their disgusting posts

Oh yes. I saw that part. They also removed my screen shot of the disgusting posts.

I thought maybe IM had done what has happened in the past, which is go back and remove things so they can not be brought up later on.

[ohnoO]

@eggbutt

The other party thinks she’s the most brilliant, sane woman in earth

She doesn’t think she is sane. She thinks her insanity contributes to her specialness and intrigue. She has yet to calculate the exhaustion it creates in others.

[trubandloki]

@ohnoO

She doesn’t think she is sane. She thinks her insanity contributes to her specialness and intrigue. She has yet to calculate the exhaustion it creates in others.

Do you think she cares that it causes anything in others?

[trubandloki]

I feel like I am bugging the legal people here but I am still confused about something.

One basic question, two examples of it to follow but the basic question is - will resolution of the outstanding issues (contempt & in person deposition) be posted or will it just happen?

Example one - Will there be a post on the court site that Kirby provided the transcripts?
Example two - Will Lauren’s deposition just happen or will there be something posted where she is told she has to show up? If she just agrees to show up will that be posted?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@trubandloki

I thought maybe IM had done what has happened in the past, which is go back and remove things so they can not be brought up later on.

The posts might not be brought up in the discussions here on COTH, but perhaps they will be brought up in a deposition.

At this point, given impending litigation, it’s NUTS for anyone in the K circle to continue public trash talking online. Absolutely NUTS.

Again… these people lack any impulse controls.

[erinmeri]

While there are myriad understandable reasons why he may have wanted off the meds, it sounds inadvisable to take oneself off of them AMA when one is being evaluated for a Kroll hearing. It’s great news, however, that he will be getting focused treatment with a path towards release.

[ohnoO]

@trubandloki

Do you think she cares that it causes anything in others?

Eventually, when they turn on her or, worse, ignore her.
Of course in her mind they only do that because they are jealous.

[Jillsmith]

I missed IM’s apparently disgusting rant, as it was removed almost immediately by the moderator. Anyone care to PM me the info?

[cutter99]

@LilRanger

@trubandloki

I mean…since we are accused of being bathrobe wearing losers in the basement, you can see why owning a bathrobe is important.

I’m such a loser, I don’t even have a basement!

I have 2 bathrobes and a basement! Now my basement is nothing special, but at least I am not living in my parent’s basement!

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Example two - Will Lauren’s deposition just happen or will there be something posted where she is told she has to show up? If she just agrees to show up will that be posted?

I’m answering this one first because chronologically the court will do something about the motions and opposition first. The court is set to rule on all of that tomorrow. Whatever the ruling is will be entered on the docket and we’ll be able to see it once that happens.

@trubandloki

Example one - Will there be a post on the court site that Kirby provided the transcripts

Not necessarily specifically that, but if the issues with her and Jonathan are resolved before the 23rd, we may see a Motion to withdraw the contempt filing or something along those lines, or an order by the judge that the issue has been resolved.

[trubandloki]

Thank you @ekat.

[Warmblood1]

@ekat

@Warmblood1

I think we are speculating hard on MB’s meds. I have no idea if he weaned. No idea if he stopped cold turkey. Some anxiety meds, such as non-narcotic anxiety meds that would be more likely prescribed than a controlled substance in this case, can be stopped cold turkey. No idea if his meds needed weaning. No idea why he stopped them. No idea if he should have continued them. We just do not have enough information

Part of what may be missing was briefly touched upon upthread. Jails give out the meds they have, which are often the cheapest most accessible formularies. You can go in with long-standing records of use of say, amlodopine for high blood pressure, but all the jail has is Telmisarten. So you are now taking that and hoping for the best. Then you move to a new facility which may have what the jail gave you, or your previous prescription, or a third option, and there’s adjustment again.

I’m no doctor, nor do I have any knowledge of MIchael’s meds. But I do know that sometimes you’re stuck with what they have, and if you are dealing with adverse reactions, but there aren’t other options, quitting the meds can make a little sense in that regard.

Jails may have limited formularies but it didn’t say he transitioned medications or started new medication, it just said he stopped his meds after arriving at AK. To me, that implies nothing other than MB stopped his meds. Psych meds are notoriously difficult to tolerate. There are ample legitimate reasons as to why he stopped them, however, I do still think that could have made an impact on his release.

[Warmblood1]

@Jillsmith

I missed IM’s apparently disgusting rant, as it was removed almost immediately by the moderator. Anyone care to PM me the info?

It really was not anything noteworthy. They were angry, attacked certain posters and said some pretty harsh things about MB.

[trubandloki]

@Warmblood1

Psych meds are notoriously difficult to tolerate. There are ample legitimate reasons as to why he stopped them, however, I do still think that could have made an impact on his release.

I guess I read the article differently than you are. To me it sounded like the only on who did not want him released was Taylor, that the medical professionals were fine with him being released.

So how the medical staff felt about him not taking the meds from jail anymore appears to have not tainted their feelings about how well he is doing.

Edit to add the quoted post so it was more clear what I was responding to

[trubandloki]

@Warmblood1

@Jillsmith

I missed IM’s apparently disgusting rant, as it was removed almost immediately by the moderator. Anyone care to PM me the info?

It really was not anything noteworthy. They were angry, attacked certain posters and said some pretty harsh things about MB.

Let me correct that for you. Bold italics are added by me.

It really was not anything noteworthy. They were angry, attacked certain posters and said some pretty harsh and very untrue things about MB

[ekat]

@Warmblood1

There are ample legitimate reasons as to why he stopped them

I do agree with this. I guess I just am more struck by the two psychiatrists testifying that he is not a danger to himself or others, even if he did stop taking meds.