MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

agree— there’s no penalty to ErinMeri or Eggbutt or KM for wandering around with the blissful delusion that MB never shot anyone.

Please do not misconstrue my posts. I never said he never shot anyone. I also never said he did. I simply do not know. Yet again, you twist words. Why?

[erinmeri]

@BigMama1

It seems to upset IM even more that people are lining up to support such a “bad person” as MB. IM is really invested in that narrative. I wonder why, exactly?

Apparently, so is @CurrentlyHorseless. I have never sent a single penny or so much as a card to Michael, but I am part of the conspiracy. These people…

[BigMama1]

@Ambitious_Kate

I’m confused about that too. Hexwasnt delusional that she was trying to ruin him. Or that she was planting recording devices around his property. Socwhere was he delusional?

He was under the delusion that she was going to physically harm him, his family, his horses, etc. hence his need to stay awake and vigilant all the time, and the need to place a security guard on the property.

My understanding is that delusions are often based on something real, and then taken to an extreme level. So her campaign to ruin him, and the harassment and mental torture were very real, which pushed him into the delusional state where he believed his life was at risk

[BatCoach]

I think at this point it’s just entertainment for her.

[erinmeri]

Apparently, according to @CurrentlyHorseless, I am “blissfully delusional” despite the fact that I have oft stated I don’t know what happened,

[eggbutt]

I am so sick and tired of this poster continuing to use my name in vain after I have asked nicely three times that she move on to another target and not use me as her erroneous proof of her fantasy.
It’s like she’s stalking or obsessed with me. What a sad person. Guess how many posts she has made tonight forcing her ideas of delusion. Everyday she’s given a topic to drone on and on and take up space. For heavens sake, why don’t we all just agree with her delusion so she will shut up?

[BigMama1]

Since CH has clearly demonstrated she doesn’t understand what “delusional” means, you shouldn’t waste any brain power thinking about that statement.

[BigMama1]

Why don’t you just put her on mute / ignore, or whatever it is thst you don’t see with her posts or any replies to them.

In general I don’t respond to her and agree that ignoring her is the best way to keep the discussion loving forward. However when she is so egregiously wrong, and keeps posting false information like her claims re delusion and the Krol hearing outcome, the record has to be corrected.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@erinmeri

I wonder if CH’s insistence that he apologize for or recognize his supposed acts stem from our society’s belief that addicts and alcoholics should atone for things they don’t recall?

I imagine they want it because it’ll help LK’s civil case, which is currently in a shambles. They incorrectly think that if they continue to spew drivel about it that the idea will stick somehow and that maybe MB’s people will make him do it to shut her/LK up or go away somehow…

No. I don’t hate MB and I have empathy for him. I hope he heals and moves on with his life. I think he can’t heal mentally without “coming to terms with what happened” while in a delusional state, or however Schellhorn put it.

I can’t really imagine the lawyers in the civil case trying to go for the claim of “it was an accident” or “it was self defense” or “RG shot her to frame me”. None of those are going to fly. If you want to cling to the fantasy that the defense lawyers are going to deny he shot her, then I take your point that he can’t acknowledge what happened. But in that case I think there’s a conflict between regaining his sanity and defending the civil case. It’s just tragedy piled on tragedy.

I hope hope and expect justice will be done in the civil case but have zero personal stake in the outcome. I’m not trying to make MB’s “people” do anything. How would I?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@erinmeri

Please feel free to flag this, @CurrentlyHorseless. I know you probably will. But, I have an honest question for you…

You often misstate facts and twist narratives. You repeat long ago forgotten arguments and ask the same questions repeatedly, even when they are asked and answered. You are usually kind, but are circular in your posting style, and at least on this thread you don’t seem to put much stock into the expertise of legal professionals who take the time to answer you. You prefer to believe an anonymous poster with a flare for being wrong over those who have been proven correct. Yet you call any of us who question Lauren Kanarek and Rob Goodwin’s account delusional. How so? There were no forensics done. Doubt sown is pretty understandable.

You clearly often are displeased by the conversation and by others’ reception to your participation in it. You decry the response you get here. Why keep coming back if you are so unhappy?

I am not trying to dissuade you from participating in the conversation, but I am trying to understand it. Why do you continue your crusade? Why do you continue to rail against the majority? Do you believe that we will be properly chastised and eating crow when this is all over?

I interpret all these questions as rhetorical and will not bother you or others with answers.

If you don’t wish to see my posts, please put me on ignore. If you think my posts violate forum rules, please flag any individual posts for the moderators.

[Sdel]

For everyone except CH. It’s blackberry and so good.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Sdel

@erinmeri

I wonder if CH’s insistence that he apologize for or recognize his supposed acts stem from our society’s belief that addicts and alcoholics should atone for things they don’t recall?

I imagine they want it because it’ll help LK’s civil case, which is currently in a shambles. They incorrectly think that if they continue to spew drivel about it that the idea will stick somehow and that maybe MB’s people will make him do it to shut her/LK up or go away somehow…

No. I don’t hate MB and I have empathy for him. I hope he heals and moves on with his life. I think he can’t heal mentally without “coming to terms with what happened” while in a delusional state, or however Schellhorn put it.

I can’t really imagine the lawyers in the civil case trying to go for the claim of “it was an accident” or “it was self defense” or “RG shot her to frame me”. None of those are going to fly. If you want to cling to the fantasy that the defense lawyers are going to deny he shot her, then I take your point that he can’t acknowledge what happened. But in that case I think there’s a conflict between regaining his sanity and defending the civil case. It’s just tragedy piled on tragedy.

I hope hope and expect justice will be done in the civil case but have zero personal stake in the outcome. I’m not trying to make MB’s “people” do anything. How would I?

I agree with you in that I don’t think you have any control or influence over MB and company. I do think you begrudge him and those affiliated with him for whatever reason.

MB has not stated either way whether he remembers shooting her. Likely won’t. It doesn’t matter. Him admitting to anything or showing remorse has no bearing on his ultimate release. No institution will hold him indefinitely for not showing remorse or not recalling a memory. Not how it works.

I can absolutely see self defense being pursued, and isn’t that named in the suit anyways? Regardless, delusional or not, MB felt his life was in danger. Why wouldn’t self defense make sense? Again, self defense is a constitutional right and I’m willing to die on that hill.

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

can’t really imagine the lawyers in the civil case trying to go for the claim of “it was an accident” or “it was self defense” or “RG shot her to frame me”. None of those are going to fly. If you want to cling to the fantasy that the defense lawyers are going to deny he shot her, then I take your point that he can’t acknowledge what happened. But in that case I think there’s a conflict between regaining his sanity and defending the civil case. It’s just tragedy piled on tragedy.

I hope hope and expect justice will be done in the civil case but have zero personal stake in the outcome. I’m not trying to make MB’s “people” do anything. How would I?

The way you phrase it? Yeah, nobody is buying it, at least without context. With context and a better narrative? I think a TON of people will “get it”.

[Warmblood1]

@Sdel

For everyone except CH. It’s blackberry and so good.

I’m pregnant and I’m SO JEALOUS of this. Drink 3 for me.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Warmblood1

I think that’s what they are trying to argue. MB wasn’t actually delusional, therefore, liable. If he was delusional, SGF is liable.

ETA: BUT - if MB was delusional during the shooting and he is not criminally liable, it could be argued he is not liable. And showing that he was historically stable, and will be released - therefore will be stable, shows SGF is not liable because Mb was stable when entering their contractual agreement and up to LK entering the property. LK was the contributing factor.

You got it. They really don’t like the possibility that:

1. MB was psychotic & delusional for a very specific duration of time in 2019, and this was primarily due to LKs actions that literally pushed him to a mental breaking point…

AND

2. There is not a history of MB being psychotic & delusional before this specific period, nor is there obvious evidence, like a substantial arrest record, of him engaging in violent conduct on a regular basis. Soooo… it’s very hard to argue SGF should have foreseen the risk of this situation, and therefore should be liable in some way.

They are in a potential lose lose, legally speaking, when it comes to liability and the civil suit they launched. They are pushing hard on people on this forum for some reason. Maybe they think we will convey messages to LO or MB directly, and persuade them as to the wisdom of MB making some sort of statements acknowledging he shot LK, in hopes that he is considered “cured” sooner, and released from Greystone sooner?

Yeah. No one is going to carry that water. And even if someone tried… I think LO and MB have competent legal counsel advising them that this is foolish. MB should not admit to anything he doesn’t know he did. If he still doesn’t remember the shooting, there is no good reason for him to “admit” or “acknowledge” ANYTHING in terms of his role/responsibility related to that shooting.

[erinmeri]

@Warmblood1

I’m pregnant and I’m SO JEALOUS of this. Drink 3 for me

I shall drink all the rose for you.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

For the person who was found NGRI on attempted murder charges due to a delusional mental state, I think the continued harboring of the delusions that resulted in the insanity finding are a big impediment to their release. How is that not obvious?

I don’t think the controlling of the narrative so that you can protect your delusion that MB did not shoot someone is doing him any favors. I never understood how you thought the nonstop hate directed at LK, her family, and even posters who expressed empathy for her somehow served MB. I don’t think it ever did.

I briefly thought that based on the result of the Krol hearing you might see how the delusional thinking is bad for MB — not for Eggbutt or Sdel or KM; they can indulge without cost to themselves— but for MB.

But it seems not.

Let’s start with the bolded paragraph. How/why do you believe that MB is continuing to harbor the delusions that resulted in the psychotic break that was directly tied to the day of 08/07/19? Have you seen his psychiatric files? Did you sit in on the Krol hearing yesterday? No? Ok. Then you don’t know that to be true.

You do seem to be trying to say that:

1. MB not remembering the shooting = MB is still dangerous & psychotic & delusional

AND

2. MB not simply acknowledging he believes he probably shot LK = MB is still dangerous & psychotic & delusional

Both 1 & 2 are BS.

I have no delusions about whether or not MB shot anyone. I simply don’t know. I wasn’t there. If the civil case goes all the way to trial, I will be super curious as to what evidence is presented a second time around.

As far as the nonstop hate directed at LK and her family? C’mon. She got online and fought with people for 2 years straight. She has a trail of people in the equestrian community who have had unpleasant personal run ins with her. She lives to engage in conflict. Thus… she finds herself on the receiving end of it. All that conflict has no bearing on MBs guilt or innocence. But all of LKs social media rants and posts and arguments? They are going to be a million pound weight dragging down her civil case. That’s just reality. Anyone can see this. It’s about her proverbially shooting herself in the foot.

As far as people on the outside of this situation having beliefs about MB being innocent, LK framing him, whatever… people can believe what they want. None of that hurts MB or his case, in my opinion. When he eventually gets released and returns to regular life, he certainly does need some stability, routine, and to move forward with his life. Hopefully his close circle of friends and loved ones will support him with that.

I don’t believe 1. at all. It’s not about the amnesia.

2. is closer. MB not understanding that he very highly probably shot LK indicates that he still has delusional thinking.

Does that automatically mean that he is dangerous and psychotic? No.

Does it mean that the judge was not convinced that he could be released without danger to himself and others? Yes. Apparently.

What is your interpretation as to why the judge decided to commit MB instead releasing him?

[erinmeri]

@BigMama1

Why don’t you just put her on mute / ignore, or whatever it is thst you don’t see with her posts or any replies to them.

In general I don’t respond to her and agree that ignoring her is the best way to keep the discussion loving forward. However when she is so egregiously wrong, and keeps posting false information like her claims re delusion and the Krol hearing outcome, the record has to be corrected

Agree, except when they lie about you.

[erinmeri]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you don’t wish to see my posts, please put me on ignore. If you think my posts violate forum rules, please flag any individual posts for the moderators.

Done and done.

[Sdel]

@erinmeri

Agree, except when they lie about you.

I thought it was against the rules to assign/discuss mental illnesses of other posters.