MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[Knights_Mom]

@LilRanger

By “she” I meant the reporter, sorry for not being clear!

I agree, there not a snowball’s chance in hell he’d allow LK into that hearing.

Uhm… nevermind LOL

[Scribbler]

@Warmblood1

@trubandloki

@Warmblood1

I certainly hope she does and can move on.

She has not moved on yet, why would you think she would suddenly change?

Until she gets a new, more exciting to her, target she is not moving on to anywhere.

Because I do not believe we are all damned by previous behavior or actions. I do believe people can change. Will she change? I don’t know. But can I say for certain she will not? Also no.

If someone has a personality disorder like narcissism or sociopathy they can’t change their basic orientation, with or without treatment. It is who they are. They can learn better coping social skills but may not see the point.

If these personality disorders are exacerbated by an active opiate addiction I would not expect any move toward better social behaviour until the person is fully and permanently sober, since addiction tends to amplify these tendencies.

[MorganSercu]

She is 41 years old and hasn’t changed for the better in decades. The odds of her changing her personality or methods now that she is middle-aged are very poor.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@LilRanger

@Warmblood1

How the heck did a Canadian publication get access to MB’s Krol hearing? I’m stumped.

At many sequestered hearings, the sequestration can be waived. Maybe she asked and MB said she could attend?

ETA: allowing one person would not lift the sequestration for everyone else, unless the person so directed.

Thank you for this. If Taylor allowed people in without MBs permission, that seems highly wrong, but if MB waived sequestration for Jaffer, that seems legit. Bilinkas might have specified: you can report overall statements by the lawyers and judge, but no detailed psychiatric or medical info.

Bilinkas is shrewd. If Taylor had opened the hearing inappropriately, I’d expect Bilinkas would have spoken up forcefully.

[Angela_Freda]

[Scribbler]

@Sdel

The article didn’t actually say anything about what they disagreed with or why or say that it had anything to do with MB, just that Taylor used a disagreement to justify his position. There could be any one of a myriad reasons why they didn’t agree.

The article makes it clear that the judge’s ruling accorded with the majority opinion of a committe of AK specialists. There is no direct quote or further information from those folks, and that is entirely as it should be. There are brief quotes from the legal teams and brief remarks from the judge as to his reasoning.

We don’t get to hear from the actual doctors or what they say or think. So I don’t think we should over interpret this.

[LookinForSpace]

As to how a journalist got info on the hearing, I expect she contacted the lawyers involved or their offices for a statement after the hearing was over. She likely wrote up an article based on their contributions plus publicly available information. She wasn’t necessarily in the hearing. JMHO.

[Angela_Freda]

@MorganSercu

She is 41 years old and hasn’t changed for the better in decades. The odds of her changing her personality or methods now that she is middle-aged are very poor.

Her last, most recent comment on the YouTube was when?
How many months after that part of this s is resolved?

She hasn’t changed as of those comments, hence let’s assume she hasn’t changed.

[Scribbler]

@LookinForSpace

As to how a journalist got info on the hearing, I expect she contacted the lawyers involved or their offices for a statement after the hearing was over. She likely wrote up an article based on their contributions plus publicly available information. She wasn’t necessarily in the hearing. JMHO.

The Court may also have issued a press release. I doubt she was present.

[eggbutt]

@Warmblood1

@evtrmom

Just an aside, I met Nancy J during the MD5*, she was working on stories specifically about CAN riders that were there competiting, she told me she writes frequently for the CAN publication.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

I also wonder if the information was conveyed to her by someone else. I’m having a hard time believing she sat in on the actual hearing.

It is my understanding Nancy was actually in the courtroom with several other journalists.

[Angela_Freda]

@LookinForSpace

As to how a journalist got info on the hearing, I expect she contacted the lawyers involved or their offices for a statement after the hearing was over. She likely wrote up an article based on their contributions plus publicly available information. She wasn’t necessarily in the hearing. JMHO.

But she had pictures.
And they appeared to be taken from the gallery, or not by someone near the dais

[jaj]

The photo of Mr. Barisone and Mr. Bilankas in court is credited to Nancy Jaffer.

[Sdel]

@Scribbler

We don’t get to hear from the actual doctors or what they say or think. So I don’t think we should over interpret this.

You did so when you said MB had significant issues. Again, there is a lot of context left out of the article and you don’t know what the team actually said, objected to, disagreed with, or even how much time any individual on the team actually spent with MB in furthering the evaluation. Plus, some docs really don’t know what the hell they are doing. I wonder why, if the team was so against this doctor, why were they allowed to present the report?

[eggbutt]

@Dragonfly90

Right, And he wouldn’t have been brought into the court with handcuffs on.

ALL detainees are brought to court in handcuffs. Why try to make something perfect normal sound so nefarious? Drama.

[DownYonder]

@Scribbler

If someone has a personality disorder like narcissism or sociopathy they can’t change their basic orientation, with or without treatment. It is who they are. They can learn better coping social skills but may not see the point.

If these personality disorders are exacerbated by an active opiate addiction I would not expect any move toward better social behaviour until the person is fully and permanently sober, since addiction tends to amplify these tendencies.

[LilRanger]

I’m not surprised media was allowed, MB welcomed media at the criminal trial. LK makes me thing of the dog who chased a moose, and the moose is now chasing her.

[DownYonder]

@LilRanger

I’m not surprised media was allowed, MB welcomed media at the criminal trial.

Cockroaches don’t like light.

[eggbutt]

@Warmblood1

I don’t think she has any power here to be honest. I think the concerns are about MB and how to successfully treat MB, not act as security or something else for him.

Sure she does…the predator wants her victim to know she’s still around and going to continue her harassment and continue her plan to FiB. If she sent anything to AK or the court it was to influence their thinking and maintain her narrative.

Lauren Kanarek and her group are not finished with Michael Barsione and many of us fully understand that about her (I am not talking about the civil trials). Apparently you have not noticed Lauren and her family are obsessed with Michael Barisone and anyone who supports him in any way.

Do you know Lauren? Serious question.

[eggbutt]

@DownYonder

I hear you. But I can’t help but think that part of their motive was to protect him from potential exposure to her before he had successfully moved through a program designed to help him develop his coping skills.

From Jaffer’s article:

The judge expressed concern that if Barisone crosses paths again with Kanarek, either in the horse world or in court (Kanarek is suing Barisone, and he is counter-suing) it could result in “a situation I don’t think he’s capable of dealing with.

So they moved to protect him as much as possible from the possibility of “crossing paths” with her again and encountering a situation he may not currently be capable of handling (and the concern could not only be about him acting violently toward LK, but also about him having another mental breakdown). By sending him to Greystone, everyone gets more breathing room for the time being and he gets professional counseling and therapies to help him begin to heal emotionally.

Very serious question, what counseling are Lauren Kanarek and her family undergoing to deal with their obsession to continue the destruction of Michael Barisone. Did Taylor think keeping Michael in a safe place for another 6 months will appease Lauren to the point she stops her sm obsession over Barisone?

[Joanne]

@eggbutt

Did Taylor think keeping Michael in a safe place for another 6 months will appease Lauren to the point she stops her sm obsession over Barisone?

In my opinion no, because the civil case is probably will still be going on so he will still be in her crosshairs.