MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[cutter99]

@trubandloki

Here is the thing about LK that some people do not seem to get.
She is not against doing ‘this’ to anyone she decides is not to her liking anymore.

You (general) might be her friend right now and you can laugh at her evil as it is done to others and pretend that you are safe because she is your friend.

Just remember, as soon as she turns, that simple conversation you had via text will be chopped and some single line will be posted all over the internet as her proof that you are evil in some way, or she will use something you told her about you against you as your weakness, etc.

Had to repost and bold this as @trubandloki is spot on- this will happen again!!!

[cutter99]

@ohnoO

I really don’t know any narcissist (although I do have a BIL who is pretty borderline), but what is her deep love & devotion to her horses and dogs? Is it they (she thinks) “love” her back when no one else will?

If so, that is so sad.

Are we sure we know she is deeply devoted to her horses and dogs? What evidence have we seen of that? How do we know the horses are not just a means to an end- her own personal glory and such?

Rosie has attacked more than one person. If she were to attack the wrong person, it could be fatal for Rosie, as she could be seized and euthanized as a vicious dog. That is not a good or devoted dog owner in my book.

What about her devotion to RG, her life partner, as she termed him when testifying? She has physically gone after him before, as well as thrown him under the proverbial bus before, then backed that sucker right over him?

What about her devotion to her parents? They certainly seem to defend her every move and are ready to come to her rescue, yet she dragged them into this mess in their elderly years. She seems to have no issues with them being exposed to COVID, when she herself claims she cannot travel due to it.

I propose LK is devoted to one person and one person only- herself!

[3PonyFarm]

Website_Involuntary_Patients_Legal-Rights_2.23.2021.pdf

Legal and Smart people, do these rights apply to Krol detainees as well?

***edit to add, I automatically group legal people into the smart category!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Here is an essay that talks about these dynamics in relation to romantic relationships with people who have NPD. It can be applied to friendships with NPD people as well though.

The opening reference to the fable about the frog and the scorpion sums it up perfectly…

A frog and a scorpion are sitting by the river. The scorpion asks the frog to carry him across. The frog says, “No! If I do, you’ll sting me!” The scorpion replies, “That’s foolish. If I did, we’d both drown.” So, reluctantly, the frog agrees to ferry him to the other side. About halfway across, the frog feels the sting of the scorpion’s tail in his back. As he begins to drown, with his last breath, the frog exclaims, “You fool! What have you done?! Now we’ll both die!” The scorpion replies, “I couldn’t help it. It’s in my nature.”

https://npdsurvivor.com/2019/08/the-frog-and-the-scorpion/

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Do you think SGF might try and depose the Lundbergs to support this position? When do you think it would make sense for them to do that?

SGF attorney doesn’t need to depose the Lundbergs because that’s, in essence, their client. LK’s attorneys will likely want to though, as the case progresses.

Isn’t it a little more complicated than that? SGF is a LLC that has the Lundbergs as part owners but also MB as a part owner.

If it’s the attorneys for the insurance company that has insured SGF, I’d think they need to depose pretty much everybody, including the Lundbergs to get sworn statements to present in court, if only to establish that the Lundbergs, as part owners of SGF did not commit the LLC to any agreements with LK.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@eggbutt

Thank you very much @ekat. So it is Communication between JK and Tarshis…again, it seems they would already have that information from Tarshis, but I assume they want to see if he provides the same info. I have heard that attorneys already have the answer to questions they ask. Is that true?

They’re asking for communications between JK and MB, Tarshis, and the Lundbergs for all of calendar 2019.

They want to establish that it was MB who agreed to her living in the farmhouse, not SGF.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Look at the rest of it as well. They want communications between JK and the Lundbergs for all of 2019. The Lundbergs are part of SGF, and clearly Silver is representing their interests. Soooooo… it seems likely that Silver already has these communications from the Lundbergs…

Yes. And also, I would think if the negotiations involving JK to find LK a new barn and to leave was a lie made up by MB’s attorneys then I would have thought that there would have been moves by the prosecution and judge to block such testimony. I assume there will be some kind of evidence of a negotiation.

What I find very curious, and probably will be more relevant going forward…. the comments about MHG calling around and trying to block LK leaving.

1. How did LK know? From her recordings? And if so, were they also subject to Seekers transcriptions. Where were those conversations had?

2. I wonder how those fall in the timeline of the negotiations between JK/Tarshis.

Another thought……maybe RG is working with SGF. Some people seemed to think SGF acknowledged that he was owed money. Maybe SGF reached a settlement with him after all.

SGF is asking for communications between JK and MB, Tarshis, and the Lundbergs for all of calendar 2019. I think they are more interested in MBs agreement for LK and RG staying in the farmhouse in early spring 2019, rather than the negotiations for her to leave.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

SGF is asking for communications between JK and MB, Tarshis, and the Lundbergs for all of calendar 2019. I think they are more interested in MBs agreement for LK and RG staying in the farmhouse in early spring 2019, rather than the negotiations for her to leave.

If MBs alleged agreement with LK and RG concerning them staying in the farmhouse in 2019 was actually documented in writing in a text or email between one of these parties… wouldn’t that have come out at some point during the criminal trial?

It seems like it should have come out by now if there was documentation of this agreement and the related terms.

[Sdel]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

If MBs alleged agreement with LK and RG concerning them staying in the farmhouse in 2019 was actually documented in writing in a text or email between one of these parties…

LK’s “manifesto”, I believe it was the manifesto…it may have been posted here, said it was written and audio recorded…

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

SGF is asking for communications between JK and MB, Tarshis, and the Lundbergs for all of calendar 2019. I think they are more interested in MBs agreement for LK and RG staying in the farmhouse in early spring 2019, rather than the negotiations for her to leave.

If MBs alleged agreement with LK and RG concerning them staying in the farmhouse in 2019 was actually documented in writing in a text or email between one of these parties… wouldn’t that have come out at some point during the criminal trial?

It seems like it should have come out by now if there was documentation of this agreement and the related terms.

First, it is SGF that is alleging there was some at sort of barter agreement between LK and MB.

Second, whether there was a documented agreement or not, shooting her was equally against the law, so no, I don’t see how it is relevant for the criminal trial. That was simply about whether he attempted to murder her.

[ohnoO]

I guess I should have prefaced that with she professes to be devoted to her animals.

Otherwise you are right!

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Ambitious_Kate

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Who knows who CH really is? We certainly don’t.

We do know that CH is very focused on speaking in defense of LK though. And of explaining this whole situation from LKs perspective.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

First, it is SGF that is alleging there was some at sort of barter agreement between LK and MB.

Second, whether there was an documented agreement or not, shooting her was equally against the law, so no, I don’t see how it is relevant for the criminal trial. That was simply about whether he attempted to murder her.

I just only vaguely remember Bilinkas’ cross examination of LK. But he definitely asked questions about the details of the agreement she had with MN regarding boarding horses, and living at the farmhouse. It seems so weird to me that LK didn’t mention that the agreement was documented in texts, or an email, or anything.

Maybe I should go back and rewatch that portion of the trial.

Do you remember that portion of the trial?

Maybe Judge Taylor kept Bilinkas on a super short leash during his cross examination… to avoid anything prejudicial from making its way into the record. Taylor was definitely careful about that.

Hmmmm. I wonder why he wouldn’t even allow Bilinkas to reference an email or text where an actual boarding and living agreement was documented in some way, though… if it was just a matter of a straightforward contract… it doesn’t seem like it wouldn’t have been particularly prejudicial.

Clearly I am missing something pretty obvious about this.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

just only vaguely remember Bilinkas’ cross examination of LK. But he definitely asked questions about the details of the agreement she had with MN regarding boarding horses, and living at the farmhouse. It seems so weird to me that LK didn’t mention that the agreement was documented in texts, or an email, or anything.

Maybe I should go back and rewatch that portion of the trial.

Do you remember that portion of the trial?

Maybe Judge Taylor kept Bilinkas on a super short leash during his cross examination… to avoid anything prejudicial from making its way into the record. Taylor was definitely careful about that.

Hmmmm. I wonder why he wouldn’t even allow Bilinkas to reference an email or text where an actual boarding and living agreement was documented in some way, though… if it was just a matter of a straightforward contract… it doesn’t seem like it wouldn’t have been particularly prejudicial.

Clearly I am missing something pretty obvious about this.

We are discussing the current legal filings with the civil trial. Please stop rehashing the criminal trial, and please stop encouraging those who are trying to twist the facts to continue either. This is about the civil trial.

[eggbutt]

Agreed, but isn’t the contract going to be front and center of the civil trial? I sure have questions about whether there was a written contract and what it specified. It has been alleged it was a crude contract, but how was it finalized - text, paper, email, what?

But I completely agree the last paragraph of the OP’s post is worn out…the preaching and repeating is absolutely unnecessary - we know what the poster believes.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

The contract, if it was documented in electronic communications, is completely relevant to the civil trial.

SGF literally just sent out subpoenas for all these communications. If LK actually had documented it… it’s weird it wasn’t mentioned during her cross exam.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@eggbutt

Agreed, but isn’t the contract going to be front and center of the civil trial? I sure have questions about whether there was a written contract and what it specified. It has been alleged it was a crude contract, but how was it finalized - text, paper, email, what?

If the contract was actually between JK and MB… that might be a factor during the civil trial as well. SGF is seeking JKs communications for some reason.

[BigMama1]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Who knows who CH really is? We certainly don’t.

We do know that CH is very focused on speaking in defense of LK though. And of explaining this whole situation from LKs perspective.

But remember YankeeDuchess was the same about doggedly defending LK, and she allegedly had no connection to her either. I think some people just like to be contrary, and to argue for arguments sake. They pick a side and then are committed to sticking with it, even after they realize theirs is the losing side, because they simply can’t stand to admit they were wrong.

[Moderator_1]

Let’s please drop the tangential line of discussion regarding whether various posters are in cahoots with parties associated with the case. There is no evidence to suggest we have alters of previously banned users posting. Beyond whether or not their posting privileges have been previously revoked, it doesn’t particularly matter why someone is choosing to post, and focusing on that person’s motivations, etc. primarily just serves to make them even more of a focus of the thread.

It’s fine to present a different POV, and is fine to be irritated by another poster’s POV. Debate the opinion or post if you want, or ignore it if you don’t want to contribute to focus being shifted to that line of discussion.

[Ambitious_Kate]

I figure they lawyers already have, say, MG’s communications, Tarshish’s and SGF’s communications. Asking for JK to produce his communications to MG, Tarshish and SGF would do what? Prove that the received certain emails, and that he was actually in conversation about subjects, so he can’t say, nobody ever asked him to have her leave, they can establish that the conversations weren’t one-sided, etc. I guess.