MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[ASB_Stars]

Did you ever see the movie “Groundhog Day”?

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Can’t prove a negative? The defendant doesn’t have to! Do you remember “innocent until proven guilty”? The court starts with the negative, the presumption of innocence, and it is the burden of the prosecutor to establish all the elements of his case. Which he did. If MB had plead straight Not Guilty, the jury would have found him Guilty.

However, having plead NGRI, the jury had to consider whether he was insane at the time if the shooting, in order to choose between Guilty and NGRI.

Time for the daily reminder that the criminal trial is over and nobody’s personal thoughts on it matter…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

[BigMama1]

@DownYonder

Even if I hadn’t been following the case, this part would make me say Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot. How does someone get that beat- up looking from being merely “tacked to the ground”? Nope - there had to be more to it - like a methodical and repeated beating using something other than LK’s cellphone. I would be willing to bet that MB was either pistol-whipped or RG repeatedly slammed his face into the concrete patio - or both.

Or kicked repeatedly in the head. Trauma and mental health issues aside, a vicious beating like that could certainly cause amnesia

[Angela_Freda]

@seahorse

This is what Eggbutt posted this morning. Now she says she’s long term friends with SW

Am I incorrectly remembering that you are a former client of Michaels?

[BigMama1]

I have appreciated all your posts here but can I just say…you need to choose better friends. LK and SW are 2 peas in a narcissistic, delusional pod.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Oh. Good catch. I think you might be right about this.

[Angela_Freda]

@Kitty64

Does anyone have an understanding why LK/JK aren’t suing the police department? It seems like they were derelict in their duty in not enforcing some measure of relief at the farm. How many times were they called out in a short period of time? 5?6? We’ve been told over and over “if you see something, say something “ and “don’t take the law into your own hands”. So, MB as a law abiding citizen, did what he was supposed to do and notified authorities. **And they did nothing **
(I know police have qualified immunity but I just wanted to add a periodic reminder of their role in this terrible situation.)

If the Kanarek family thinks MB did this, plotted it even, they should be furious that the PDs involved didn’t gather gun shot residue, all the purported bullets/casings, the various recording devices, etc to aid in conviction.
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[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Yes. I have stated that Bruce Nagel’s statement that MB was found guilty of attempted murder, but also found not criminally responsible for the act is just another way of saying what I have been saying about the NGRI verdict.

After all this time, you are still not capabale of wrapping your brain around the difference between NGRI and guilty, but not criminally responsible?

You can try to interpret it however you like, but as he wrote it, Nagel’s statement that MB was found guilty of attempted murder but not criminally responsible is categorically false.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Yes. I have stated that Bruce Nagel’s statement that MB was found guilty of attempted murder, but also found not criminally responsible for the act is just another way of saying what I have been saying about the NGRI verdict.

The judge will understand perfectly what he is saying.

Not at all the same. One is guilty, one is not guilty. For the billionth time.

[BigMama1]

@Angela_Freda

Am I incorrectly remembering that you are a former client of Michaels?

I believe seahorse is the former client who spoke out against Michael here on COTH

[joliemom_again]

@FitzE

I have never seen such humiliating work product made public like this. I cannot believe that, not only did heads NOT roll at Nagel’s firm after that first piece of toilet paper was filed, no one even corrected the mistakes and/or bothered to do a better job this time.

See, this is how they keep their prices so low. Why waste money on silly things like fact checking and proofreading when you can have an unpaid intern do it for you, thus passing those savings onto the client!

Sorta reminds me of Dr Nick from the Simpsons.

[AbbyGRP]

That is… not true. That is a gross mischaracterization of what it means to be declared not guilty of a crime by reason of insanity. As I believe multiple people have explained before, there are two elements of a crime: actus reus (the act) and mens rea (intent). If both of these elements are not satisfied, there is no crime. The jury concluded that at least one of these elements is not present, therefore no crime. Thus, not guilty. Not, guilty, but one element is missing, so guilty but insane.

[eggbutt]

@BigMama1

I have appreciated all your posts here but can I just say…you need to choose better friends. LK and SW are 2 peas in a narcissistic, delusional pod.

well, at least SW isn’t quite as dangerous and obsessed as LK! And being “friends” is considerably different than lovey-dovey BFFs

[ohnoO]

@Angela_Freda

@Kitty64

Does anyone have an understanding why LK/JK aren’t suing the police department? It seems like they were derelict in their duty in not enforcing some measure of relief at the farm. How many times were they called out in a short period of time? 5?6? We’ve been told over and over “if you see something, say something “ and “don’t take the law into your own hands”. So, MB as a law abiding citizen, did what he was supposed to do and notified authorities. **And they did nothing **
(I know police have qualified immunity but I just wanted to add a periodic reminder of their role in this terrible situation.)

If the Kanarek family thinks MB did this, plotted it even, they should be furious that the PDs involved did gather gun shot residue, all the purported bullets/casings, the various recording devices, etc to aid in conviction.
.

No kidding!
How about if they could explain how there were two shots (casings found) but a third one went through the door who’s trajectory looked like it could have come from a gun shot while lying on one’s back on the ground?

Didn’t the surgeon find only one bullet in LK and then speculated that the missing one could have been because the EMT’s or the ER staff somehow dislodged it?

[Mondo]

@skydy

don’t watch “true crime” shows. I don’t find the reliving of actual crimes to be entertaining at all. IRL crime as in this case, people have been hurt (in many ways) and it isn’t something I enjoy seeing rehashed for the entertainment of the public. I think it comes from having lost a friend to crime. I can only imagine how painful it would be to see a T.V. show made about it for entertainment.

I know it’s a popular genre now, and to each his/her own.

I am interested in the legal process however.

skydy - the true crime shows are about the legal process of solving (or not) a case. Of course, they do use all the salacious details (gets ratings), but the reason I love to watch them is specifically because I love the legal process. Forensic Files is one of my favorites.

[eggbutt]

@BigMama1

@Angela_Freda

Am I incorrectly remembering that you are a former client of Michaels?

I believe seahorse is the former client who spoke out against Michael here on COTH

Yes, I believe you are correct. Didn’t she say her name was Pam when she outed herself in one of the previous threads?Funny, all these folks have to do is attack me or rehash the criminal verdict.

It seems there would at least be some support of LK via positive posts of her achievements/behavior.

[omare]

My understanding is that the jury could not have found him NGRI if the jury had not found him to have committed the criminal act. Maybe the 48 hours show will explain how it can be otherwise, as suggested on this thread. I think 48 hours usually manages to interview some members of the jury on trials they cover which might help explain the thinking behind the verdict.

[eggbutt]

Did anyone notice when LK testified how Michael shot her she used her right hand to demonstrate. Everyone who knows Michael knows he is 100% lefthanded. Small but significant mistake on LK’s part IMO.

[Jillsmith]

I totally agree with all this. If it were possible, I’d say LK and RG intentionally gave or did something to MB to ensure his amnesia, so they could invent their story. How convenient for them, and unfortunate for Michael, that he can’t remember. Something is definitely disturbing about the whole police “non investigating” debacle on top of the obviously biased judge.

I really wish he had pled straight up not guilty, as there is so much reasonable doubt; it should even warrant a mistrial.