MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[DownYonder]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I said a while ago in the discussion that I suspected JK was essentially legally representing himself in this situation, since Nagel is not actually the attorney of record for Jk. I followed that up with the old adage:

“A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.”

I rest my case.

[trubandloki]

@ohnoO

I apologize if this has already been talked about.
I’m not caught up yet, but this bothered me. It was misspelled everywhere so I’m wondering if it was on purpose for some reason.
(Asks the person with too many o’s in her name ).

I would guess more likely it was typed wrong the first time and then copy and pasted so it continued to be wrong everywhere else.

[BigMama1]

@Angela_Freda

She has posted on various threads on this subject over the past three years as well.
She then quickly deleted them.
Her issues with MB weren’t clear or very detailed.

That doesn’t mean I don’t believe her.
But if MB had a problem with any of the areas described by LK and her supporters… there would be more than one or two coming out of the woodwork here.

We have no reason to doubt that @seahorse had a negative experience with MB. You ask about any trainer, anywhere in the world and you will find clients who are unhappy. What one student may consider to be tough but fair, another may consider to be rude or abusive.

Why would someone go back? For the training. If your goal is to progress, really progress, do you choose the mediocre trainer who always makes you feel like a million bucks? Or do you choose the top-notch trainer who can be a jerk? (Not saying MB is a jerk, just giving an example). The grass isn’t always greener and really good dressage trainers are rarer than hen’s teeth. It’s not unusual for someone to return to a trainer after a break, IMO.

For those of us on the outside, it’s a matter of weighing the negative feedback against the positive feedback and seeing where the balance lies. Generally in a public spectacle like this, more victims of bullying, abuse etc. come forward. It’s actually interesting that in this case seahorse seems to be the only former client speaking out against him, aside from LK. To me that suggests there isn’t a large group of angry, upset former students out there.

I don’t think anyone thinks MB is up for sainthood. He probably had a temper from time to time, maybe liked to have one too many drinks on occasion, perhaps didn’t suffer fools gladly. But the fact that after 3 years, we have yet to see any bombshell revelations about what a horrible person he is (IM’s rants notwithstanding) I’m guessing they just don’t exist.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@MHM

I believe in the group of hyenas in The Lion King, there was the one hyena who was sort of the outsider who did not really speak. He just nodded his head and went along with whatever the others told him to do.

I think his name was Ed, but that would just get confusing with the other Eds we already have in the storyline.

You are remembering correctly. Ed is the dopey looking one on the left in this picture

[eggbutt]

Apparently there are some mentioned in texts from RG to JK that weren’t in evidence. RG sent videos to JK via cell phone and then asked if he received them. I doubt they have been seen by any attorney anywhere. If they were beneficial to the Kanareks they would have been all over the criminal trial!

[MHM]

@Sdel

And he even tried to pretend he was a random nobody at first too.

Well…

[DownYonder]

@MHM

@Sdel

And he even tried to pretend he was a random nobody at first too.

Well…

[iridedressage]

@ekat

@yaya

Silver has filed some answers to Nagel’s ridiculousness

Thank you. I was just going to post. Hold on to your hats!

SGF OPP MOT QUASH.pdf (1.3 MB)

So here is my question - if RG emailed the videos to JK - then RG should still have the videos too if he didn’t destroy them, right?

[Sdel]

@LexInVA

If Lauren drops the suit, it only makes the family look bad and will reflect poorly on them, if they attempt future litigation or continued harassment. If they carry on and the suit is dismissed with prejudice before things run their course and a conclusive settlement of all matters is made against them, they can bang the “We got screwed by the system!” drum and save some face, if people don’t look too closely at them.

Wait….what about the insurance settlement?!?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@iridedressage

So here is my question - if RG emailed the videos to JK - then RG should still have the videos too if he didn’t destroy them, right?

Subpoena time!!!

[EADoug]

@MHM

@EADoug

Indeed. I’m curious What the Firecracker a lawyer was doing posting the crap he did last week. I understand his little girl was shot. I am a Mamma, I get that he was scared for her life. No matter the circumstances, that’s a terrifying situation to be in.

All true.

But that was more than three years ago.

She was back riding and showing in less than a year, according to the online show records at USEF.

I’m really not defending the behaviour. I’m just trying to empathize? understand?

I went through a weird period looking at my newborn, wondering who he will be - I used to ask my husband all the time what would happen if he turned out to be a bad egg. What if he grew up to be a serial killer? What happens to those Moms? Because looking at that baby, I would fight to the death to protect him. How would I reconcile those feelings if he did bad things? I still wonder this occasionally. Usually while he’s taking great pleasure in squishing insects…

That’s all. I get it was a long time ago, but she’s still ‘dealing with’ the situation, even if it’s on her own accord via her own filed suit. I try to give people the benefit. I try to understand the behaviour from their shoes, not mine. Everybody has a story. Blah blah blah…

[MHM]

@Angela_Freda

Wasn’t it IM who posted recently the allegations the MB was a __phobe, ___ist, ___ist, etc? Or am I remembering incorrectly?

Funny, those are pretty much exactly the same terms that were highlighted in the social media posts from LK that were included in the 48 Hours trailer. Apple, tree, etc., etc.

[ekat]

@iridedressage

So here is my question - if RG emailed the videos to JK - then RG should still have the videos too if he didn’t destroy them, right?

Well, theoretically. But, also hypothetically, let’s say the videos were on his phone, which was seized by the police. Morris County did not disclose any videos during the criminal trial. So, were the videos erased from RG’s end prior to seizure?

Perhaps RG could access them from his email/some cloud somewhere. What if they’ve already gone down this road?

[Sdel]

@Angela_Freda

Wasn’t it IM who posted recently the allegations the MB was a __phobe, ___ist, ___ist, etc? Or am I remembering incorrectly?

Yes….and what showed up on the sneak peak…

[Warmblood1]

I would be more inclined to believe videos and such, which were perceived to be of great value by LK, were stored on an encrypted iCloud or something of that nature. That would explain why the videos weren’t obtained by the police department when confiscating phones. There are ways around storing, and therefore protecting, data other than saving to a phone’s direct hard drive.

ETA: I also wonder how much hard drive space would even be available on a phone with all the recordings allegedly obtained. One would need some sort of external hard drive to transfer the data off the phone to be able to have the space to save more files.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@LilRanger

@eggbutt

What are the odds of the Kanarek suits being quietly dropped? Can’t Michael and SGF pursue damages?

I think if there a is counter claim, the other parties have to agree to ending the case, or the counter claims can continue apace. Also, at the discovery phase, you’re looking at a settlement at the very least to dismiss your claim, and in this situation, with the info getting out, it will probably cost the Kanarek a pretty penny to dismiss…

So given MBs counterclaim… there is no possibility for LK retreating from this situation of her own making, unless a settlement is negotiated?

Is it possible for her yo settle with SGF and RC, and continue on with the litigation against MB?

[BigMama1]

@eggbutt

The mods can’t say here who a post is IRL, but they certainly respond to subpoenas!!

It is rather amusing that after LK threatening posters here that their identities were going to be revealed via subpoenas to COTH, the ones unveiled are simply her and her bizarro parents

[Angela_Freda]

Exactly

[LexInVA]

@Sdel

@LexInVA

If Lauren drops the suit, it only makes the family look bad and will reflect poorly on them, if they attempt future litigation or continued harassment. If they carry on and the suit is dismissed with prejudice before things run their course and a conclusive settlement of all matters is made against them, they can bang the “We got screwed by the system!” drum and save some face, if people don’t look too closely at them.

Wait….what about the insurance settlement?!?

The insurance won’t pay out unless there’s a ruling against MB and SGF. If they did pay out, then the insurance could also come after both parties. As I said, it’s in MB and SGF’s interest to see this thing play out in court, to the point where things are relatively wrapped up and conclusive, against the Kanarek family. The collective evidence that can be put forth against LK in the civil case - namely Lauren’s personal history and the continued financial and personal support of her father, especially if that support extended to doing things that would be considered illegal, if not wholly immoral - is enough to sink claims against MB and SGF and leave LK high and dry. That’s why they were so dependent on MB pleading guilty and then having the civil case go in their favor. Because MB didn’t go along with their tune and the verdict was not what they wanted, they are stuck with the messed up bed that they made for their daughter and their actions regarding the civil case are nothing more than evasive tactics that buy them time to soften or attempt to dodge the blow that will inevitably come down on their messed up family. For all we know, they could intend to leave the country before anything really bad goes down and leave Lauren here with her little home in FL and continuous bank transfers to fund her wondrous existence.

[Angela_Freda]

@iridedressage

So here is my question - if RG emailed the videos to JK - then RG should still have the videos too if he didn’t destroy them, right?

Could it be they already have them, from RGs end?