For anyone to think the ugliest of the ugly has already been presented in the criminal trial is definitely a smidgen naive. The text messages prior to the shooting with all the alleged threats will be a treasure trove of ugly between three primary participants as well as possible others. Lauren’s previous threatening behavior toward others will be fair game along with her entire history of behavior. Maybe it will finally be made public information why she is banned from the family home.
Keep in mind, this has gone way off the rails of where the Kanareks thought they would be today. It isn’t going to be pretty but will definitely be entertaining! It should make the Real Housewives reality series look tame!
There’s a theory in tort law called the eggshell plaintiff which states that a defendant in a personal injury case will be responsible for the damage caused as-is, even if the victim had a pre-existing condition that made him or her predisposed to serious injury. So there’s really no reason not to disclose your medical records.
Perhaps it has to do with the copious use of the transcripts as a source threatening to ruin MHG and MB and the claims they’ve been shared with SS, USEF, media outlets, and the doctors at AK? Even “snippets” have been relayed here on CotH. It really shouldn’t be a problem to provide them since so many people have been freely given copies.
It sort of makes one wonder if there are actually other recordings that were not turned over originally! Maybe Kirby Kanarek can’t identify which recordings she transcribed, if she actually transcribed anything. I’ve often wondered how she knew who’s voice she was listening to.
For a taste of all the information Chris Deininger has to work with in the civil trials, go back and read all the original filings! Of course much more has been revealed since he prepared those filings so he’s just adding to the heap.
I’m just saying that I don’t see a valid reason that Deininger would need Kirby’s transcripts of the audio recordings, given that he’s had access to the audio recordings themselves for several years.
Likewise, he’s had access to texts and emails between JK and RG and Tarshis for several years, at least the ones prior to the shooting.
It’s not unheard of for lawyers to demand a lot of burdensome discovery to inflict pain on the opposing side is it? Soften them up to possibly induce them to settle? That’s how I interpret it.
Because when she called to report MB over allegations that he had stopped teaching her lessons and that made her mad and he didn’t care when she complained, SS told her they don’t investigate that kind of stuff. But they may have mentioned that they do look into allegations of physical or emotional abuse of children. Which made a light bulb go off in her head.
I have always considered that last SS complaint of hers to be a strategic. She had been given information from SS about what they do investigate and she probed around to find out what SS would do if children were in immediate danger. And she flicked the domino and watch it fall.
Sheilah
I strongly suspect that the ugliest of the ugly wrt to LK has been revealed already. I cannot imagine you having any purported dirt on LK that you’ve been holding back.
MB, on the other hand, has had more protection against prejudicial information as the defendant.
I mean, I saw two valid reasons to request them listed above yours. Those transcripts were allegedly used to intimidate and harass Barisone, including adding them into the SS report. Mr D, on behalf of his client, was well within his rights to request something the plaintiff has bragged about in public, on social media, as a weapon. That’s number one.
Reason number two posted above you - it’s a way to verify if they actually do have all the potentially illegal recordings.
Mr Deininger, on behalf of Michael Barisone, did not ask for texts between Jonathan Kanarek and anybody yet, that we know of. JK has ignored a subpoena issued by SGF, through their attorney. They get to request relevant info from potential witnesses in order to defend themselves.
It’s not harassment to try to put on a defense for your clients. If Jonathon and Kirby Kanarek didn’t like the subpoenas, they had ample time to file motions to quash. Ignoring them is never the proper answer.
You do know that discovery includes witnesses and isn’t limited to the plaintiff and defendants, right?
How does Deininger, or anyone, know which illegal recordings Kirby Kanarek transcribed? Can anyone swear under oath that ALL recordings have been turned over?
Interestingly, thanks to the criminal trial, we know Michael had pre-existing conditions that may have predisposed him to have the break he did. And we know what the medical experts have already testified to re: his mental state.
So we kind of got a preview of his claim (from his counterclaim) for infliction of emotional distress.
Re bolded. I’m aware that LK made references to what she had heard on the audio recordings in her SM posts and that it’s alleged that she included a very brief quote from one of the recordings in her SS report.
Where has it been claimed that that information from the audio recordings came from transcripts made by KK? As opposed to LK just quoting from the audio recordings themselves?
Would you like screenshots or links to all the times just here on COTH that Seeker1 said a) that she was Kirby Kanarek and b) she transcribed the recordings? It will take me a little bit of time. As a bonus, I can add in the times Lauren herself mentioned the transcripts on YouTube.
Edit to add: again, if Kirby wanted to argue the subpoena, she shouldn’t have ignored it.
No, because Discovery in the civil suit was stayed before they could get to depositions.
And no - SGF would never have had an opportunity for anything in the criminal trial. Also, if KK wasn’t a witness, she wouldn’t have been interviewed for the criminal trial. .
LK and RG would not have been subject to any interviews by SGF, RC, or MB’s attorneys as they were the “victims” in the criminal trial.
I’m well aware that KK has admitted to being Seeker1 and having transcribed the audio recordings.
My issue has to do with the timing. Where has it been stated that KK transcribed the audio recordings prior to the shooting so that her transcripts were used in LKs SS complaint or used in her SM posts prior to the shooting?
The surface was barely scratched during the criminal trial.
I can imagine the civil trials will go into a long history of behaviors that include threats, harassment, methodical plans to terrorize and destroy individuals, bullying, cyber stalking, evasion, drug abuse, false reports to various agencies, etc. Lauren testified under oath she had planned to destroy Michael Barisone and Mary Haskins Gray – Finish the Bastard. All of that can be used to show her personality and pattern of behavior when she is scorned.
All she had to do was leave Hawthorne Hill long before August 7, 2019. I doubt a jury will buy her excuses for not leaving and instead doubling down on her harassment. Who plants illegal surveillance devices on private property?
