MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

My issue has to do with the timing. Where has it been stated that KK transcribed the audio recordings prior to the shooting so that her transcripts were used in LKs SS complaint or used in her SM posts prior to the shooting ?

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[Sdel]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

My issue has to do with the timing. Where has it been stated that KK transcribed the audio recordings prior to the shooting so that her transcripts were used in LKs SS complaint or used in her SM posts prior to the shooting ?

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[MorganSercu]

@eggbutt

Who plants illegal surveillance devices on private property?

Where is the barefoot veiled ninja graphic?

[Warmblood1]

@eggbutt

For a taste of all the information Chris Deininger has to work with in the civil trials, go back and read all the original filings! Of course much more has been revealed since he prepared those filings so he’s just adding to the heap.

Are you talking about the website with the original suit filed by MB’s legal eagles?

[eggbutt]

Yes, I am.

[Warmblood1]

@IdahoRider

@Warmblood1

Because there was supposedly allegations of misconduct towards children, made by LK in the SS document.

Because when she called to report MB over allegations that he had stopped teaching her lessons and that made her mad and he didn’t care when she complained, SS told her they don’t investigate that kind of stuff. But they may have mentioned that they do look into allegations of physical or emotional abuse of children. Which made a light bulb go off in her head.

I have always considered that last SS complaint of hers to be a strategic. She had been given information from SS about what they do investigate and she probed around to find out what SS would do if children were in immediate danger. And she flicked the domino and watch it fall.
Sheilah

I agree with you. I think it is possible that SS was a way to get CPS involved without directly contacting CPS because legal action can be taken in some states for false reports to CPS; which also makes me think that is why the recordings are being requested since a transcript was provided in LK’s SS report. They may be pursuing that false report civilly and need to verify that aspect further.

I also think that SS isn’t going to prompt CPS without specific claims, IE., LK couldn’t just vaguely state “yes there are kids in the house.” There would need to be a clear indication of danger towards children to prompt a CPS investigation (which happened with CPS arriving at the farm day of incident).

[Danvers]

I sure do hope so! I hope truth and justice prevail!

[Warmblood1]

@ekat

I mean, I saw two valid reasons to request them listed above yours. Those transcripts were allegedly used to intimidate and harass Barisone, including adding them into the SS report. Mr D, on behalf of his client, was well within his rights to request something the plaintiff has bragged about in public, on social media, as a weapon. That’s number one.

I didn’t realize how much LK had used the recordings as a weapon against MB, MH, RC and JH until I skimmed a previous Barisone thread that had direct quotes from FB with LK threatening to ruin the lives of/“throw said people in jail” with the recordings. The recordings have been weaponized and mentioned incessantly. Not only did KK mention transcribing them, LK mentioned KK had transcribed them on multiple platforms.

@eggbutt

Yes, I am.

Thank you. Now if I could remember how to get to the website!

[ekat]

@ekat

Hang on. I’ll get you a screenshot! Give me a few minutes

Ok, I know this doesn’t say prior to the shooting, but it’s clear what it does say. And again, the issue in the pleadings that started this thread is that Kirby ignored a subpoena instead of making her case to the court re: the relevance of her transcripts. But hang on…I’ll be back with more…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@IdahoRider

Because when she called to report MB over allegations that he had stopped teaching her lessons and that made her mad and he didn’t care when she complained, SS told her they don’t investigate that kind of stuff. But they may have mentioned that they do look into allegations of physical or emotional abuse of children. Which made a light bulb go off in her head.

I have always considered that last SS complaint of hers to be a strategic. She had been given information from SS about what they do investigate and she probed around to find out what SS would do if children were in immediate danger. And she flicked the domino and watch it fall.

This. Definitely this.

Also, it was stated earlier on this thread that the CPS worker showed up to investigate a child neglect complaint. One poster on this thread has claimed that the CPS worker came to investigate MHG for neglect. I don’t remember that being said at trial though. I remember them keeping the testimony of the CPS worker VERY carefully limited. I remember hearing she came to the farm to investigate neglect, and the report came from SafeSport. Once the worker came to the farm, she spoke with MHG first, and then RC. Soooo… it seems almost certain the complaint related to MHG’s kids.

But why did that CPS worker, who was investigating neglect, need to speak with RC? That question hasn’t been answered. It wasn’t addressed at trial that I can recollect.

What we do know now, is that they are looking for transcripts KK made of recordings, which were apparently sent to SS. Hmmmmm. What might those transcripts reveal? PERHAPS they relate to a private conversation that took place in MBs office between he and RC concerning her handgun? That was then stored in a locked gun safe? Why would a CPS worker investigating a dangerous neglect situation need to hurry out and question anyone about a handgun that was being stored in a locked gun safe? PERHAPS SS had been informed that the gun was actually not safely stored in a locked safe, and instead… they were told it was within easy reach of minors. Which might constitute a dangerous neglect situation… which SS then referred to local CPS to investigate.

Just a thought.

One last thought. Didn’t LK and RG testify under oath in the criminal trial that they never placed a recording device in MBs office? That there was only one device in LKs locker? And other recordings were gathered as RG walked around the farm with a phone in his pocket, while people were talking in public spaces where they had no expectation of privacy?

[Warmblood1]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

One last thought. Didn’t LK and RG testify under oath in the criminal trial that they never placed a recording device in MBs office? That there was only one device in LKs locker? And other recordings were gathered as RG walked around the farm with a phone in his pocket, while people were talking in public spaces where they had no expectation of privacy?

Yup. So I wonder if that will lead to perjury? What would it take to prove a conversation was had in say, the office, and that the conversation was recorded in a location that conflicts with testimony?

Maybe that is why there hasn’t been compliance. As someone else said, it’s incriminating.

[Sdel]

@Warmblood1

Yup. So I wonder if that will lead to perjury? What would it take to prove a conversation was had in say, the office, and that the conversation was recorded in a location that conflicts with testimony?

So, your saying that LK’s pronouncement on YT of impending perjury charges might actually come true?

[IdahoRider]

@eggbutt

It is an interesting name and certainly doesn’t coincide with Hup-2-3-4 military cadence so my curiosity considered the Civil War General. Forgive me for going off topic, and no, I don’t read your or another’s posts due to redundancy and argumentative substance.

Around here it references women who hang around judges, hoping for attention. Sometimes it is a derogatory term to describe someone who will do dirty deeds with a judge. Like a “Puck Bunny” for hockey players or “Buckle Bunny” for women who chase after rodeo guys.

I am a word nerd and stuff like how and why terms come into being is cool to me.
Sheilah

[hut-ho78]

@IdahoRider

@eggbutt

It is an interesting name and certainly doesn’t coincide with Hup-2-3-4 military cadence so my curiosity considered the Civil War General. Forgive me for going off topic, and no, I don’t read your or another’s posts due to redundancy and argumentative substance.

Around here it references women who hang around judges, hoping for attention. Sometimes it is a derogatory term to describe someone who will do dirty deeds with a judge. Like a “Puck Bunny” for hockey players or “Buckle Bunny” for women who chase after rodeo guys.

I am a word nerd and stuff like how and why terms come into being is cool to me.
Sheilah

Wow. That is really an attempt to be offensive. How tacky. I see you and @eggbutt are trying hard to get the thread shut down.

So here we have an example of people who get personally insulting when they don’t have a sensible point to make.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Warmblood1

Yup. So I wonder if that will lead to perjury? What would it take to prove a conversation was had in say, the office, and that the conversation was recorded in a location that conflicts with testimony?

Maybe that is why there hasn’t been compliance. As someone else said, it’s incriminating.

Well, Deininger and SGF’s attorneys have these tapes now.

I would expect that they will question LK at length about them during her deposition. And ask her question after question after question about the location of various conversations. Was MB having all these private conversations in the hallway in front of her locker? Really? Because MB and a lot of other people all swear under oath these conversations happened in his office. But didn’t LK testify under oath at trial that the recording device was in her locker? Will she testify to that, under oath, again, during the deposition? Or will she revise her testimony?

Or… will she throw RG under the bus and blame him for the recording device in MBs office, and try and plead ignorance?

But if KK transcribed conversations from that device BEFORE the shooting, and these transcribed conversations were sent into SS as part of a complaint, can LK still claim ignorance and blame RG? I doubt that will work.

She’s in quite a pickle I think.

[eggbutt]

https://portal.njcourts.gov/webcivilcj/CIVILCaseJacketWeb/pages/civilCaseSearch.faces?cid=1

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@ekat

Hang on. I’ll get you a screenshot! Give me a few minutes

Ok, I know this doesn’t say prior to the shooting, but it’s clear what it does say. And again, the issue in the pleadings that started this thread is that Kirby ignored a subpoena instead of making her case to the court re: the relevance of her transcripts. But hang on…I’ll be back with more…

That is from May of this year. Not only after the shooting but after the resolution of the trial.

I see don’t see how KKs transcripts of the recordings could have had a role in the shooting if the transcripts did not exist prior to the shooting.

That’s why I don’t see a legitimate basis for Deininger subpoenaing her over them.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

That is from May of this year. Not only after the shooting but after the resolution of the trial.

I see don’t see how KKs transcripts of the recordings could have had a role in the shooting if the transcripts did not exist prior to the shooting.

That’s why I don’t see a legitimate basis for Deininger subpoenaing her over them.

Too bad Kirby didn’t bother to take that up in a motion to quash the subpoena. Now she can explain to the court why she should not be held in contempt.

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

I see you and @eggbutt are trying hard to get the thread shut down.

Wow. How on earth was my question to you at all rude, ugly, inconsiderate, etc?

And why on earth do I want the thread closed? You are always reaching and provoking.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@IdahoRider

Because when she called to report MB over allegations that he had stopped teaching her lessons and that made her mad and he didn’t care when she complained, SS told her they don’t investigate that kind of stuff. But they may have mentioned that they do look into allegations of physical or emotional abuse of children. Which made a light bulb go off in her head.

I have always considered that last SS complaint of hers to be a strategic. She had been given information from SS about what they do investigate and she probed around to find out what SS would do if children were in immediate danger. And she flicked the domino and watch it fall.

This. Definitely this.

Also, it was stated earlier on this thread that the CPS worker showed up to investigate a child neglect complaint. One poster on this thread has claimed that the CPS worker came to investigate MHG for neglect. I don’t remember that being said at trial though. I remember them keeping the testimony of the CPS worker VERY carefully limited. I remember hearing she came to the farm to investigate neglect, and the report came from SafeSport. Once the worker came to the farm, she spoke with MHG first, and then RC. Soooo… it seems almost certain the complaint related to MHG’s kids.

But why did that CPS worker, who was investigating neglect, need to speak with RC? That question hasn’t been answered. It wasn’t addressed at trial that I can recollect.

What we do know now, is that they are looking for transcripts KK made of recordings, which were apparently sent to SS. Hmmmmm. What might those transcripts reveal? PERHAPS they relate to a private conversation that took place in MBs office between he and RC concerning her handgun? That was then stored in a locked gun safe? Why would a CPS worker investigating a dangerous neglect situation need to hurry out and question anyone about a handgun that was being stored in a locked gun safe? PERHAPS SS had been informed that the gun was actually not safely stored in a locked safe, and instead… they were told it was within easy reach of minors. Which might constitute a dangerous neglect situation… which SS then referred to local CPS to investigate.

Just a thought.

One last thought. Didn’t LK and RG testify under oath in the criminal trial that they never placed a recording device in MBs office? That there was only one device in LKs locker? And other recordings were gathered as RG walked around the farm with a phone in his pocket, while people were talking in public spaces where they had no expectation of privacy?

It is not apparent to me that transcripts made by KK were sent to SS. I have seen no evidence that KK made the transcripts prior to the shooting.

Deininger said that the report to SS contained a brief excerpt purporting to be from the audio recording. But the SS report submitted by LK could not have included a transcript by KK if she had not done the transcribing prior to the shooting.