MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

It’s exactly right that she can point out the transcripts can not have played a role in the shooting if they did not exist at the time to argue why she should not be held in contempt by the judge. That will probably emphasize the harassing nature of Deininger’s subpoena.

I don’t know how to make this simpler for you, but I’m going to try.

Kirby (and JK with his subpoena, for that matter) don’t get to argue against contempt of court by saying they didn’t see the relevance of the information requested in the subpoena. That’s not an argument against contempt.

If they didn’t like the requests, they could have/should have filed a motion.

Now they get to explain to a judge why they ignored subpoenas, and not likening the request isn’t an option. If that’s their best answers, the court will find them in contempt.

Also, again, Discovery is not Harassment and if you’re offended by the requests, then you file the motions BEFORE you’re in contempt.

No, I get that they were supposed to comply or respond by saying why the request was overly burdensome and unnecessary.

I’m surprised you think that all discovery requests everywhere are limited to genuinely pertinent information and I sincerely doubt that lawyers always refrain from using burdensome, unnecessary requests to “play hardball”, if you like the term playing hardball better than “harassment”.

[Sdel]

Just a few other things said about the tapes or other documents that were requested and ignored…

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m surprised you think that all discovery requests everywhere are limited to genuinely pertinent information and I sincerely doubt that lawyers always refrain from using burdensome, unnecessary requests to “play hardball”, if you like the term playing hardball better than “harassment”.

Here’s the thing. Discovery is a fishing expedition. This is well-known. You throw stuff out there, and see what you get back. What you don’t do is send out stuff that is going to have the judge ruling against you time and time again because it’s irrelevant or unnecessary. You don’t want to piss off the judge this early in a case.

On the flip side, you don’t want to piss off a judge by a) ignoring subpoenas and b) arguing that every request should be quashed.

Discovery is not harassment. It’s not that I don’t like the term. It’s that it’s inaccurate.

When someone files a lawsuit, they should expect the defendants to play hardball within the rules of civil procedure. And if that subjects the plaintiff’s mom to answering uncomfortable questions, them’s the breaks.

[Sdel]

@ekat

@cutter99

Maybe Rosie will have eaten them!

Poor Rosie. Someone should subpoena her.

Yes, I think the forum can recommend a good communicator.

[Sdel]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

Hmmm. Well that clarifies matters. Quite a bit.

It’s the screenshots you have to worry about.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Sdel

@CurrentlyHorseless

So, still no evidence that she made the transcripts prior to the shooting?

It’s exactly right that she can point out the transcripts can not have played a role in the shooting if they did not exist at the time to argue why she should not be held in contempt by the judge. That will probably emphasize the harassing nature of Deininger’s subpoena.

Thanks, Sdel. I didn’t see that or had forgotten.

[Warmblood1]

@alicen

Don’t try to make sense of it. Thrust me. After the day I’ve had, some things are non-sensica.l

Are you hitting on us? Just kidding. Hope your day gets better.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m surprised you think that all discovery requests everywhere are limited to genuinely pertinent information and I sincerely doubt that lawyers always refrain from using burdensome, unnecessary requests to “play hardball”, if you like the term playing hardball better than “harassment”.

Here’s the thing. Discovery is a fishing expedition. This is well-known. You throw stuff out there, and see what you get back. What you don’t do is send out stuff that is going to have the judge ruling against you time and time again because it’s irrelevant or unnecessary. You don’t want to piss off the judge this early in a case.

On the flip side, you don’t want to piss off a judge by a) ignoring subpoenas and b) arguing that every request should be quashed.

Discovery is not harassment. It’s not that I don’t like the term. It’s that it’s inaccurate.

When someone files a lawsuit, they should expect the defendants to play hardball within the rules of civil procedure. And if that subjects the plaintiff’s mom to answering uncomfortable questions, them’s the breaks.

Fair enough. Let’s see which side the judge comes down on wrt the requested contempt ruling on KK.

[cutter99]

This would be the place to find a good animal communicator for Rosie! Oh, the stories I bet that dog could tell!

[Danvers]

The gift that keeps on giving…

[Davignport]

Arguing with certain posters will get you nowhere. Just scroll on by. They will never change their opinion and they are dragging the thread down. All goes well and then along they come and boom goes the thread.

[Joanne]

@Sdel Would you have kept a copy of this screen shot?

It’s hard to read and looks interesting.

[Sdel]

Oh yeah, I’m pretty sure I do…

[hut-ho78]

@Davignport

Arguing with certain posters will get you nowhere. Just scroll on by. They will never change their opinion and they are dragging the thread down. All goes well and then along they come and boom goes the thread.

Keeping on talking about other posters is what gets the threads shut down.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Sdel

And she can pay to use the FL firm since she is refusing to come to the court for the suit she filed.

By the hour. Can you imagine the cost? Depositions can go on for days and days. Three attorneys, a court reporter, and what, a nurse, probably, paid for by the hour. She would have live people in front of her, deposing her, her answers going over zoom, no cocktails, noone slipping her an answer here or there.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If it were me, I’d prefer being deposed by zoom just to avoid the hassle, time, and expense of traveling to a different state for an indeterminate number of days.

You don’t get to have preferences.

[Ambitious_Kate]

I have a question - if KK is being deposed to discuss her claims that she made transcriptions of the recordings, can it be supposed that someone on the opposing attorneys’ teams is reading this BB? It was here that KK/Seeker elaborated about being the trascriptioner of the audio (and video, not sure?) recordings.

Also, Wednesay’s filing by Deninger includes a recent Instagrapm posting by LK as proof that she is carrying on ordinary business and life without concerns for Covid. Sounds to me like people are keeping abreast of her on social media. I wonder if anyone on the legal teams followed her on You tube.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@eggbutt

She’ll never produce ALL the records asked for. She’ll use the excuse they were deleted, ruined, lost, etc. So what happens when she can’t/won’t produce all the documentation?

She loses her claim. She is being asked to produce all the documentation to support her claim. If she can’t support her claim, its presumed to be baseless. Judges love good paperwork. If you can pull together the documents supporting your claim, you are a good ways towards wining your argument.

[Warmblood1]

@Ambitious_Kate

I have a question - if KK is being deposed to discuss her claims that she made transcriptions of the recordings, can it be supposed that someone on the opposing attorneys’ teams is reading this BB? It was here that KK/Seeker elaborated about being the trascriptioner of the audio (and video, not sure?) recordings.

Also, Wednesay’s filing by Deninger includes a recent Instagrapm posting by LK as proof that she is carrying on ordinary business and life without concerns for Covid. Sounds to me like people are keeping abreast of her on social media. I wonder if anyone on the legal teams followed her on You tube.

Forum postings were mentioned in at least one of the court documents so I know they have obtained previous postings and I would imagine that they haven’t stopped monitoring forums. So far, they have been a treasure trove for MB’s defense team regarding LK.

I haven’t seen YT referenced but I think that is a low priority considering the mountain of information they already have with FB, instagram, emails, texts and cell phone information as well as this forum.

[cutter99]

I am sure that every attorney involved in this case on both sides has taken long, hard looks at any and all social media posts by LK and her family. Social media meaning Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, comments on places like Law and Crime Network, and COTH.

Why wouldn’t they? There were over 19,000 pages of post from LK in the criminal trial, and there have been many, many more made since. LK, and even those here claiming a relationship to her, have not been shy about posting, even when MANY of us suggested it not be wise to do so.

For those of us in The Elderly Illegal Mob, we remember when we would be threatened by our elders by having something “put on your permanent record”, which never actually existed.

Now in the days of the Internet, it actually does exist. Even when you go back to delete posts or attempt to clean up the poop you sling around on social media.

You reap what you sow.