MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

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@Warmblood1

@Ambitious_Kate

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And in March 2019 “it’s hard to feel good after being clipped for $965,000.

Yes, it was hard I’m sure, but he bought out his ex wife of the Florida property and owns it entirely himself, so even when we have to pay a tough price, the rewards are immesureable and Michael Barisone has a world class training facility in Florida that belongs to him entirely. So we may all complain about giving up money in a divorce, but in MB’s case it was for the answer to a dream, something he can rely on and is a foundation for him when he returns to his training and riding and beloved horses, all waiting for him at the end of that 1million dollars so painfully spent.

And he had the money to buy Vera out. It was achievable because he had the money to spend.

Vera and Michael are on good terms. You can make a snakey, snide innuendo over and over, but it doesn’t change the facts that someone saying those things is a small minded person. And its not even your fight! Its something Lauren Kanarek would say. Its a twist she would make. Why are you going there? Why are you saying such things? They aren’t based on truth.

Well said. I don’t know a single person who has gone through a divorce that didn’t say something negative about the divorce. It often includes money.

MB’s assets that he currently has and has sold all lend to the fact that MB was a successful business person and poke holes in the weak argument by the Ks that MB was so desperate for her money. Clearly, no one is that desperate.

Very weak arguments surround the Ks.

So what? He shot her.

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@DownYonder

@Angela_Freda

It sounded like RC routinely did target practice.
That’s quite a thought, exploding bullets put in RCs gun, to harm her.

Downright diabolical. And a certain someone would be laughing about it on SM.

Who does that?

It’s not comical that he shot her. It’s the denials posted here that are funny, kind of a dark comedy.

The relentless SM bashing of a SM basher whom Mb was proven to have shot in a court of law in complete denial of the shooting.

[ekat]

@StB.YM

ekat since you just rewatched LK’s testimony, do you remember in which video/timepoint her guns were discussed?

It starts around 5:22:00 in here and that whole layaway story will never, ever make sense to me.

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[StB.YM]

Thank you! It didn’t make sense to me either, but I couldn’t find it to double check.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

She did testify that her ex-husband owns a gun/pawn shop. Just saying…

@Angela_Freda

Why was she purchasing guns,… in NC? SC? I forget where… when she was living in NJ and FL?

I thought she had purchased them when she was living in NC. Isn’t that where she shot at RG’s motorcycle tire (and supposedly while he was sitting on said motorcycle)?

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@Sdel

@DownYonder

And since MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people in the U.S. legally own firearms, I don’t think it would be right to suggest that she is a horrible and wicked person simply because she legally purchased several firearms. (Her other actions pretty much prove what kind of person she is.)

I was thinking more of verifying what guns she actually owns vs the ones she put on layaway and never “claimed”……

That smelled like a lie to me. Her post easily describes RC’s gun as well….

Walthers? No dear. RC owned the Ruger used to shoot LK that she gave to MB and that he sent MhG and CPS out of the room to retrieve from the safe, load the empty magazine, put it in his pocket, and drive to the farm to shoot LK.

[Sdel]

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@Sdel

@DownYonder

And since MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people in the U.S. legally own firearms, I don’t think it would be right to suggest that she is a horrible and wicked person simply because she legally purchased several firearms. (Her other actions pretty much prove what kind of person she is.)

I was thinking more of verifying what guns she actually owns vs the ones she put on layaway and never “claimed”……

That smelled like a lie to me. Her post easily describes RC’s gun as well….

Walthers? No dear. RC owned the Ruger used to shoot LK that she gave to MB and that he sent MhG and CPS out of the room to retrieve from the safe, load the empty magazine, put it in his pocket, and drive to the farm to shoot LK.

You forget….sworn liar.

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@hut-ho78

I forgot one. Where is the comment by MHG that she was going to effing kill her (LK)?

Again with this? Wow. If I had actually “killed” all the people (or horses ) when I said could just “kill” them for doing something…

@BigMama1

No, that’s not what she said. She said why can’t we EVICT her, meaning go through the legal process of eviction. Not the same as asking her to leave. It’s very clear she had been asked multiple times to leave - clear to everyone except you and CH, for some bizarre reason.

Thank you for attempting to clear that up again. Until next time. And the time after that…

@Warmblood1

@CurrentlyHorseless

The issue is whether MB asked her to leave, not whether MHG wanted her gone.

MB stated he asked her to leave many, many times. LK knew she was not wanted on the farm evident by her many text messages. She stated she knew MB was terrified of her when she was deploying her campaign of terror. Any fool could see LK wasn’t wanted or welcome. The jury will see this in the civil trial. Doesn’t matter what you think.

And yet she seemed to revel in the chaos she was creating - as many of her FB posts showed. She knew she was not welcome. But that all fit into her little campaign… and FtB was always on her mind even if she did not constantly say it out loud in those exact words.

@CurrentlyHorseless

MB stated in the 48 hours interview that he had asked her to leave many, many times. JK stated that he hadn’t asked her to leave.

In the civil case against the police, MBs own lawyers said the first date they asked her to leave was Aug 5. Why wouldn’t they have included a prior date if he had asked her to leave prior?

Any rational trainer round have dealt with this much much differently. By asking her to leave in April or May or June.

He wasn’t rational. He wasn’t sane. He apparently was unable to resolve the situation in a rational, legal, and nonviolent manner. LK was in the process of dealing with lawyers to leave. If MB had someone how managed to refrain from violence for a few more days, she would have been gone.

LK was not about to leave without more fighting.

Again I cite from personal experience in a similar situation. Our “LK” was asked to leave many, many times. Not formally through lawyers - and an eviction notice (which we could not do as the BO was away for an extended period) … but MANY MANY times. She sneered. She insulted. She scoffed. She suggested she would win that big boarding barn in any court case. MB’s lawyers mentioned the official proceedings for eviction - not the simple requests before that that any sane person would have complied with. LK knew she was not wanted there…while suggesting on FB that her horses would be harmed there… and bragging that MB was afraid of her… and believing she was smarter than everyone else and her little FtB plan would work.

I am sure there were many “conversations” about her leaving. But leaving did not fit into her badass persona on FB - or her plans.

Who does that?

In our case, the entire situation became so extremely uncomfortable that our “LK” finally packed up and left in a week long campaign of her harassment and anger with boarders and I taking turns watching the barn at night.

I was standing in the doorway of the house they stayed in (next to the big barn and arena), asking for things the BO had requested her to hand over… and she completely lost her sh#t, screaming and throwing things, breaking the glass in some of the built-in cabinets - and tried to close the door on me. She howled that I needed to get off HER property. I stepped back on the porch and said I would wait for those items. Her hubby actually got out of his recliner, quit watching football and stormed out to confront me - only to see there were 6 of us quietly standing there. He went back to football and told his missus that this was HER mess and he just wanted to go home to their own little place about 3 hours away.

I said that the next time it would be the sheriff on the porch - not me, the handyman and some boarders/clients.

She and her minions packed everything up and left. Finally.

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I suffer from chronic depression, anxiety, and ADHD. What of it? He was in therapy, there’s no indication he was suffering from a breakdown in the time before they went back to NJ.

[Angela_Freda]

@trubandloki

Aren’t these the same transcripts that they gave to the prosecuting attorney and they chose to not use them in the criminal trial?
One would think if they included a real plot to kill someone that the system there would have found a way to get them into the trial.

Seems like that would have been a slam dunk…

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@Omgitsme

I thought we learned he never actually made it into the marines? I

I thought it was believed that he did join the Marines, but may or may not have completed basic training, and may or may not have been bounced out on an Administrative Discharge for failing a drug test.

And wasn’t he asked during his testimony if he had been in the Marines and he answered in the affirmative? Wasn’t that why it is a bit laughable that he later claimed during his testimony that he didn’t know much about guns?

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@DownYonder

@CurrentlyHorseless

He wasn’t rational. He wasn’t sane. He apparently was unable to resolve the situation in a rational, legal, and nonviolent manner. LK was in the process of dealing with lawyers to leave. If MB had someone how managed to refrain from violence for a few more days, she would have been gone.

Do not realize how incongruous the first two sentences and the last sentence of your statement are?

And although I do appreciate the fact that you are no longer in denial about him being insane, you still haven’t been able to make the mental leap to understanding and accepting that she DROVE HIM INSANE - deliberately, intentionally, maliciously.

What kind of diabolical creature DOES THAT?

How could she drive him insane compared to the divorce, the splitting of the business, the cash flow (not wealth) problems that kept him awake at night, a new love that was in a stressed state, 8-9 prior concussions, chronic depression exacerbated by the divorce, the loss of the person who took care of the management details allowing him to shine with riding and training? He said himself everyone has difficult clients, that is a part of business.

He had plenty to evict her over disorderly conducts. Just a few more days and she would be out if he followed the eviction process.

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Who’s business is it the Kanarek’s personal life?

[StB.YM]

@ekat - you’re a saint for sitting through a second round of all of that.

So on direct, she testified that she only had 1 gun. She was questioned during cross about the facebook post and claimed she put the second gun on layaway and hadn’t actually picked it up. Then she was questioned about which gun she specifically had and which was on layaway. Her testimony - the one she “actually has possession of” was the 17/18 capacity one.

She implies that the smaller capacity gun, that fits in her purse, was the one on layaway.

So how exactly had she not “cleaned it in a year”.

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@Warmblood1

@DownYonder

@Warmblood1

@Sdel

Do you think her gun purchase history will be brought up in the civil trial?

I think so, for sure. It’s evidence of her using her firearm to threaten MB via SM. Evidence of her campaign of terror and her being a physical threat to MB, MHG, the kids and everyone else on the farm.

ETA: it’s also reasoning as to why MB would carry a firearm for personal protection since his safety was threatened.

Yeah, I can see how the fact that she posted things like “My weapons are hot” - esp, in regards to the situation at HH - could be considered.

But I still don’t think it would be right to bring up the actual PURCHASE of the guns as though that act alone is proof of her wickedness. Doing so sort of maligns the reputation of many millions of good and decent Americans who lawfully purchase and own firearms.

Purchasing firearms isn’t incriminating. Much like it isn’t incriminating for MB to carry a personal firearm on private property. However, the purchase of LK’s firearm was introduced in the criminal trial to show she was indeed a gun owner which makes her threats with a firearm that much more realistic.

Well. Who purchased the extra ammo for the Ruger found in the safe and on the floor and in the second magazine in MB’s pocket and when?

[KurPlexed]

Tons of people go thru divorces. Some of them are self employed with their spouces. Some of them have depression. Most divorces come with all that you mention. people weigh those consequences before they decide to divorce. All totally normal. That’s not what drove him insane and everyone knows it.

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I tend to think that originally LK’s motto was just F with the Bastard… and thus all the preening and parading and posturing on FB … and then she upped the ante and it became Finish the Bastard.

If only she had actually left a situation that she merrily made increasingly difficult and more uncomfortable each and every day…

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@Omgitsme

I thought we learned he never actually made it into the marines? I can’t keep track of all the falsehoods.

Exactly. He is the Marine who never made it through basic training yet managed to become a trained listening device expert and assassin. Very vivid imaginations.

He is the person who stopped an active shooter and held him until LE arrived. That was his day. No matter anything else in his life, he saved her, himself, MB from himself, and possibly LE responders, and anyone else on that farm that got in MB’s way.

[DownYonder]

@hut-ho78

How could she drive him insane compared to the divorce, the splitting of the business, the cash flow (not wealth) problems that kept him awake at night, a new love that was in a stressed state, 8-9 prior concussions, chronic depression exacerbated by the divorce, the loss of the person who took care of the management details allowing him to shine with riding and training? He said himself everyone has difficult clients, that is a part of business.

No doubt he was stressed. No doubt she recognized it and deliberately, intentionally, maliciously, and diabolically concocted and engaged in a campaign to drive him to the breaking point. He broke all right - just not in the way she had envisioned.

[MHM]

@DownYonder

@Sdel

Do you think her gun purchase history will be brought up in the civil trial?

Perhaps only tangentially to back up the posts she made about her guns.

And since MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people in the U.S. legally own firearms, I don’t think it would be right to suggest that she is a horrible and wicked person simply because she legally purchased several firearms. (Her other actions pretty much prove what kind of person she is.)

I think her gun purchase history is relevant in that it makes it perfectly understandable that MB took her threatening posts on social media about guns seriously.

Plenty of people in this country own guns. They probably don’t usually make social media threats about using them.

And if they do, those threats should be taken seriously by law enforcement, as we have seen many, many times on the news.