MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[DownYonder]

@StB.YM

So on direct, she testified that she only had 1 gun. She was questioned during cross about the facebook post and claimed she put the second gun on layaway and hadn’t actually picked it up. Then she was questioned about which gun she specifically had and which was on layaway. Her testimony - the one she “actually has possession of” was the 17/18 capacity one.

She implies that the smaller capacity gun, that fits in her purse, was the one on layaway.

So how exactly had she not “cleaned it in a year”.

That testimony was so unclear and disjointed, my eyes (ears? brain?) glazed over.

Actually, all her testimony was the same. The confusion, the backtracking, the changing stories, the deliberate obfuscation, etc. - I don’t know how Bilinkas kept his cool.

[endlessclimb]

Ok question time.

I understand that getting LK out of the house was POSSIBLE through legal channels, but her having established tenancy would have made that complicated.

Would those same “tenant” laws apply to the horses? Or could he have just said “you have 24 hours to get your horses off my property”? Or 30 days, if he was feeling kind?

Of course this is all coulda woulda shoulda - but I’m just curious.

[Ghazzu]

@Omgitsme

I thought we learned he never actually made it into the marines? I can’t keep track of all the falsehoods.

If he did indeed make it into the Marines, he’d hardly be unfamiliar with firearms, as somewhere above it is stated he said at the trial.

[hut-ho78]

@MHM

@DownYonder

@Sdel

Do you think her gun purchase history will be brought up in the civil trial?

Perhaps only tangentially to back up the posts she made about her guns.

And since MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people in the U.S. legally own firearms, I don’t think it would be right to suggest that she is a horrible and wicked person simply because she legally purchased several firearms. (Her other actions pretty much prove what kind of person she is.)

I think her gun purchase history is relevant in that it makes it perfectly understandable that MB took her threatening posts on social media about guns seriously.

Plenty of people in this country own guns. They probably don’t usually make social media threats about using them.

And if they do, those threats should be taken seriously by law enforcement, as we have seen many, many times on the news.

Yes. He had plenty to evict her for weeks before the CPS arrived and yet did not, he was not making good decisions for a while.

[MHM]

@Angela_Freda

@DownYonder

I am not sure about them intending to do harm to the children, but rather wonder if they were going to use the information to further torment MB and MHG

I would argue intentionally tormenting MB and MHG will/can harm the kids.

Well, yes.

As it turned out, MHG’s life got turned upside down, so it seems safe to guess that there was a similar effect on the lives of her kids at the time.

[DownYonder]

@endlessclimb

I understand that getting LK out of the house was POSSIBLE through legal channels, but her having established tenancy would have made that complicated.

Would those same “tenant” laws apply to the horses? Or could he have just said “you have 24 hours to get your horses off my property”? Or 30 days, if he was feeling kind?

Of course this is all coulda woulda shoulda - but I’m just curious.

I believe one of our Legal Eagles mentioned some time back that NC tenancy laws do not apply to livestock. So yes, he could probably have evicted the horses.

But he may at that point have been concerned that she would take even more drastic retaliatory measures against him.

[MHM]

@ekat

@Warmblood1

Rosie testified? I must have missed that.

Me too! And I have been wanting to hear her side!

Same!

Poor Rosie.

[endlessclimb]

Yeah, I’d evict the horses and immediately build a perimeter around the house. “You are allowed inside that perimeter, and that is the only thing you’re entitled to. Any sight of you outside of the perimeter will result in calling the police.”

The game wouldn’t have been as fun if the horses weren’t involved, which invited LK to invade a shared space.

Again, coulda/woulda/shoulda.

[MHM]

@endlessclimb

Yeah, I’d evict the horses and immediately build a perimeter around the house. “You are allowed inside that perimeter, and that is the only thing you’re entitled to. Any sight of you outside of the perimeter will result in calling the police.”

Unfortunately, it seems like that would have been a pretty hollow threat by that time, based on the lack of help he had gotten from previous calls to the police.

[endlessclimb]

Indeed, I agree. Plus the visual - small woman v big man. That plays into the perception, whether it should or not.

[Warmblood1]

@Omgitsme

I suffer from chronic depression, anxiety, and ADHD. What of it? He was in therapy, there’s no indication he was suffering from a breakdown in the time before they went back to NJ.

That is the K’s defense - that because MB had a history of depression and was a domestic violence survivor, that they never should have entered into a business deal or any type of rental agreement. How dumb is that? Have you ever filed out an application for any type of rental that asked if you have a history of depression? Have you ever entered a business arrangement where someone asked if you had a history of domestic violence or depression? It’s illegal to discriminate against people. MB was a successful business person and SGF had no reason not to enter into any type of business or rental agreement. Unlike RG and LK, MB did not have a criminal record or a history of drug abuse, etc.

@hut-ho78

@DownYonder

@CurrentlyHorseless

He wasn’t rational. He wasn’t sane. He apparently was unable to resolve the situation in a rational, legal, and nonviolent manner. LK was in the process of dealing with lawyers to leave. If MB had someone how managed to refrain from violence for a few more days, she would have been gone.

Do not realize how incongruous the first two sentences and the last sentence of your statement are?

And although I do appreciate the fact that you are no longer in denial about him being insane, you still haven’t been able to make the mental leap to understanding and accepting that she DROVE HIM INSANE - deliberately, intentionally, maliciously.

What kind of diabolical creature DOES THAT?

How could she drive him insane compared to the divorce, the splitting of the business, the cash flow (not wealth) problems that kept him awake at night, a new love that was in a stressed state, 8-9 prior concussions, chronic depression exacerbated by the divorce, the loss of the person who took care of the management details allowing him to shine with riding and training? He said himself everyone has difficult clients, that is a part of business.

He had plenty to evict her over disorderly conducts. Just a few more days and she would be out if he followed the eviction process.

@hut-ho78

@Omgitsme

I thought we learned he never actually made it into the marines? I can’t keep track of all the falsehoods.

Exactly. He is the Marine who never made it through basic training yet managed to become a trained listening device expert and assassin. Very vivid imaginations.

He is the person who stopped an active shooter and held him until LE arrived. That was his day. No matter anything else in his life, he saved her, himself, MB from himself, and possibly LE responders, and anyone else on that farm that got in MB’s way.

Sorry, none of this makes sense. According to you, RG never made it through basic training (which has never been verified) but was so skilled he stopped an “active shooter” (might want to look up the definition of that one) and was able to subdue MB using known USMC martial art skills but was not enough of a Marine to press record on a recording device bought at, what, Lowes? Home Depot? For the average lay person?

Yea. Jury isn’t going to buy it. Much like they didn’t buy a single thing RG said in the criminal trial and MB was Not Guilty on every charge related to RG.

[Mondo]

I honestly think the comments on the strange gadget were more of a “take down” of the trainer than the rider. Also, LK manages public “take downs” ALL. THE. TIME. Even regarding people she doesn’t know, so sorry, not feeling especially sorry for her. But the POINT of the entire conversation surrounds the fact that she implied on 48 Hours and elsewhere, that she had onlly recently started riding again. Her civil suit is predicated on the fact that she lost the ability to ride as she had previously. We know for fact that she was riding relatively quickly after her recovery from the shooting. And now she’s bragging all over SM that she’s riding at PSG and GP at home and 5-6 horses a day. That kinda puts the lie to her BS about losing her riding abilities and only starting up riding again recently, doesn’t it?

[Warmblood1]

@endlessclimb

Ok question time.

I understand that getting LK out of the house was POSSIBLE through legal channels, but her having established tenancy would have made that complicated.

Would those same “tenant” laws apply to the horses? Or could he have just said “you have 24 hours to get your horses off my property”? Or 30 days, if he was feeling kind?

Of course this is all coulda woulda shoulda - but I’m just curious.

To my understanding, horses do not have tenant’s rights. He could have tied them a telephone pole and been within his legal right. However, he was gracious enough to still care for her horses and LK should thank him for that.

There is also the debate on whether or not tenants rights applies in this situation or if they could possibly be viewed as guests. For example, your mother in law comes to visit for a month but that doesn’t make them tenants, they are still guests.

[DownYonder]

@endlessclimb

Any sight of you outside of the perimeter will result in calling the police.”

Unfortunately the police in that jurisdiction has already demonstrated a profound lack of interest in helping MB.

[DownYonder]

Jinx.

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

@eggbutt

@hut-ho78

He shot her. She is the victim.

And you know this how? Because a participant in the FtB plan and a known liar said so? Uh-huh. Wouldn’t it be sweet if there was evidence to back that up?

Per the criminal trial, all three mental health experts, the jury, the judge, the prosecutor, the defense, LE, and Rosie said so.

Where’s the PROOF?

[endlessclimb]

Eh, with laws that nearly always favor the tenants, I’d put my money on them seeing her as a tenant.

Squatter, but still a tenant.

Coulda/woulda/shoulda - a clear delineation of the house at the front of the property and the barns at the back of the property would have given everyone some breathing room to get the eviction underway, which the K-Klan would have certainly made as long and as arduous as possible, not to mention the intentional property damage to the house. Moving the horses and all LK’s equipment out of the barns would have accomplished that line, and telling her “take me to small claims for any board you think you’re prorated back” (or just pay her, 5k is small in the grand scheme of things).

[Warmblood1]

He thought his life was in danger as well as MHGs life and the kids, and was worried the kids would be taken away. I’m sure there was lots he wanted to do but was extremely fearful of actually doing it.

[eggbutt]

Due to repeated unprovable BS, another denier/deflector has hit the Ignore jackpot!!

[Omgitsme]

An assassin? I feel like I missed something.