MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[eggbutt]

Ulf assigned another Helgstrand trainer to work with LK. She left LK to continue her career with Helgstrand full time after the verdict.

[Fiesta01]

@Danvers

I think the apple and tree, and one reaps what one sows

I love the French expression. Translated into English: Dogs don’t make cats.

ETA: The French: Les chiens ne font pas des chats.

[FitzE]

@Danvers

If a sibling of mine behaved this way I would call them on the carpet - my parents would certainly have a lot to say!

So much this!

Again, the only way I can frame it is it’s as if we are looking at a completely different culture altogether - one most people have no frame of reference for.

Not only would my father NOT keep footing the massive bills for me, but my mother would die of the shame of me doing, saying, or posting even one - one single - of the things we’ve seen LK post to Girl Joey or RG’s uncle or the myriad people here and on facebook and YT.

Filming and mocking a young woman in a shop? Lying constantly. The threats and weird, rambling, grandiose diatribes?

And the arrests, dear sweet baby Jesus, the arrest records. But, then again, mumsy and papa have records, too, so…

It’s like Tiger King level of reality TV: one just didn’t know there were families out there who operate like this and think it’s normal.

But, as we can see on this very thread, there are unconnected people ready, willing, and able to declare this all totally fine, no bigs. I guess that’s how people like this continue to thrive for years and years before getting caught in their own poorly constructed webs.

[BigMama1]

@trubandloki

How does one balance living in an RV park with the boast of having unlimited means?

The RV park near Loxahatchee is actually really nice, and not surprisingly has many wealthy equestrians with RVs that are nicer than many people’s homes.

[BigMama1]

@hut-ho78

Proof. Testimony of all 3 mental health experts. Charges from prosecutor. Instructions from judge. Testimony from LE. Teeth marks from Rosie.

Only one of those was present at the shooting and has any first-hand knowledge of what happened. And she can’t talk.

[BigMama1]

@hut-ho78

The work RG was doing was water damage repair from the freeze. So long as he wasn’t changing the house footprint, wiring, or plumbing, permits were not required.

The barn never had occupancy for people, the septic tank was undersized, the house basement only had one egress and had occupancy as 2 apartments/duplex-1st and 2nd floor, not 3 apartments basement, 1st, and 2nd floor. The barn did not meet fire code for people occupancy. The house smoke detectors were allegedly ripped out by MB and RG repaired them.

He would likely have seen what was not to code though if he ever worked for a firm updating kitchens and bathroom.

Just pulling out Sheetrock and putting in new tile would not need permits.

You seem to know a lot of very specific details that weren’t mentioned in testimony

[hut-ho78]

@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

The work RG was doing was water damage repair from the freeze. So long as he wasn’t changing the house footprint, wiring, or plumbing, permits were not required.

The barn never had occupancy for people, the septic tank was undersized, the house basement only had one egress and had occupancy as 2 apartments/duplex-1st and 2nd floor, not 3 apartments basement, 1st, and 2nd floor. The barn did not meet fire code for people occupancy. The house smoke detectors were allegedly ripped out by MB and RG repaired them.

He would likely have seen what was not to code though if he ever worked for a firm updating kitchens and bathroom.

Just pulling out Sheetrock and putting in new tile would not need permits.

You seem to know a lot of very specific details that weren’t mentioned in testimony

What part of this post do you think was not covered in testimony or New Jersey state or township rules about permitting (links posted up thread by me)?

[hut-ho78]

@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

Proof. Testimony of all 3 mental health experts. Charges from prosecutor. Instructions from judge. Testimony from LE. Teeth marks from Rosie.

Only one of those was present at the shooting and has any first-hand knowledge of what happened. And she can’t talk.

She doesn’t speak Human language but she talked. She gave her deposition in teeth marks.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

I thought you already had a couple of people on ignore? Plus, you never read my posts, remember?

CH claims to have people on ignore when they don’t, I think EB really has people on ignore but the topic of board being paid is the response to CH’s insistence that it is the end all of proof that Lauren had no clue she was not wanted there so many people are talking about it. In other words, EB can not read the posts by either you or CH and still know the thread is talking about the August board bill.

@Sparky, that is a great bit of artwork. It took me a minute to get it but darn…very good.

@hut-ho78

He had the gun. He took it from RC. He threw MHG and the CPS lady out of the office. He took the gun with 2 bullets in a magazine and an extra newly loaded magazine in his pocket to the house. He was very angry with LK. He shot her.

When did it switch from two bullets from the long proclaimed three bullets?
But then, I think there have been times that Lauren has proclaimed the number of times she was shot was different so I guess if you are making the story up as you go along it is expected to have things change.

@MHM

I will admit I did not have the fortitude to go back and watch the testimony again to double check. I can only tip my hat to the people who are willing to put themselves through that experience again.

Oh my gosh, yes! Totally grateful to the people who are strong enough to find the facts from the testimony.

[PDDT]

@hut-ho78

RG found it and placed it in the back of Corporal Fellini’s patrol car.

Wow, I missed this. LE allowed an active participant in a shooting incident touch evidence and put it in a probably unattended police car!?! Was that testified to? Who saw him “find” it? Wow! So, that is not evidence of anything without proper documentation of where it was found and a proper chain of custody securing it. More proof of how shoddy the police work was.

[BigMama1]

@hut-ho78

She doesn’t speak Human language but she talked. She gave her deposition in teeth marks.

That’s an amazing skill you have to deduce from tooth marks that MB pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. I guess the person she bit earlier in the week shot someone too?

[KurPlexed]

@hut-ho78

She gave her deposition in teeth marks.

I guess RC was the shooter too with that logic

[trubandloki]

@BigMama1

That’s an amazing skill you have to deduce from tooth marks that MB pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. I guess the person she bit earlier in the week shot someone too?

Maybe those tooth marks said something else?

[FitzE]

@BigMama1

That’s an amazing skill you have to deduce from tooth marks that MB pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. I guess the person she bit earlier in the week shot someone too?

@KurPlexed

I guess RC was the shooter too with that logic

Hahahaha! You two win for lightning fast spotting of completely inconsistent reasoning.

While the poetic dramatical language is , those teeth marks could tell any number of stories, many not supportive of RG’s rejected tale of event. In fact, they could cut the other way entirely. If I were pro-K side I’d not touch what those bite marks might tell us with a ten foot poll.

But, then again, the reasoning and strategy of that side has never been sound, as we are seeing play out over and over again (often to the detriment of this thread).

[LilRanger]

@PDDT

Wow, I missed this. LE allowed an active participant in a shooting incident touch evidence and put it in a probably unattended police car!?! Was that testified to? Who saw him “find” it? Wow! So, that is not evidence of anything without proper documentation of where it was found an

I think it’s actually tampering with evidence if not an outright attempt to frame MB. Because if MB shot her, why would he feel the need to incriminate MB more? It doesn’t make sense that immediately after something like this one’s mind would go to “oh,a magazine! I’ll just put it in the cop car to incriminate MB more! Yeah, that’s the ticket!”

[DownYonder]

@Fiesta01

@DownYonder

That COTH press release is quite thought-provoking.

I bet Bellissimo is rather thankful to get COTH out of his hair, esp. since it could apparently be weaponized by various parties for various reasons.

Also - the timing of that notice is pretty interesting, given that we just went on a tangent about Ulf Moeller, who is Helgstrand’s right-hand man in his Wellington sales operation.

I posted the following in the Helgstrand Acquires COTH thread but realized some posters over there might not be following the MB threads and have no idea what it meant.

Remember syllogisms? If I were a QAnon type (believer in wacky conspiracy theories), I could write a syllogism. (OK, kind of a syllogism).

LK trains with Ulf (Helgstrand).
The Ks don’t like what we write in COTH.
The Ks (Helgstrand) buy COTH.

ETA: Before I get reported and into trouble, it’s a joke.

Ha! But to clarify, I was in no way suggesting that the K-Klan implored AH to buy COTH because folks here were commenting on LK’s riding and on the training methods used by an AH business associate to train LK.

Although imagining they have that kind of influence and power would certainly fit right in with the Delusions of Grandeur aspect of NPD.

[avjudge]

@PDDT

@hut-ho78

RG found it and placed it in the back of Corporal Fellini’s patrol car.

Wow, I missed this. LE allowed an active participant in a shooting incident touch evidence and put it in a probably unattended police car!?!

I think you misread this. The sentence is not clear - it read “Handgun was . . . tossed to the side where the 2nd LE officer on the scene who handcuffed MB and RG found it and placed it in the back of Corporal Fellini’s patrol car.” (Italics added)

Remove the clause “who handcuffed MB and RG” and it’s the officer who found it & placed it in car. But does this actually match testimony??? Earlier discussion in these threads was that that the 2nd magazine was “found” in the back seat but I never heard how it got there (i.e. who put it there).

ETA: Was RG eventually handcuffed for a bit, or was this just hut-ho’s version?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

She doesn’t speak Human language but she talked. She gave her deposition in teeth marks

Rosie also bit RC. Was RC shooting anyone at the time? Was the house not a domicile for people other than the Ks? No, it’s clear it’s just a bad dog who has bite issues and to my mind should have been put to sleep.

[chancellor2]

Like McLain Ward doesn’t take lessons with his dad? C’mon. USEF can’t enforce that. How would they know?
But you can’t list a suspended trainer on an entry.

[DownYonder]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you’re trying to make it clear to someone that they are not welcome to board at your facility, you don’t accept their board payment. Accepting payment suggests agreeing to accept their horses for board.

It’s just a little extra evidence, if he cashed the check or accepted payment, that perhaps he had not asked her to leave prior to Aug 1.

So you are suggesting that MB should have given her back the funds but continued to care for her horses in his barn on his own nickel?

I guess that since you are “currently horseless,” you have conveniently forgotten that feed, hay, shavings, labor, maybe even water (if not on a well) costs $$$$$.

Heck, I am currently horseless too, but I well remember the costs associated with board/care of a horse.

Which makes me think that maybe you should change your handle to “Currently Obtuse.”