MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Angela_Freda

LK was refusing to leave, to the point that lawyers were employed and other places that met her approval were sought as a place to go (who does that??!!). She was supposed to leave soon, per the negotiations (who does that??!!). One might have hoped it would be in that same month. By would it? Who could know?

If her board was paid for the month of August, any wise farm owner would keep that payment to cover care until she finally left.

In fact most barns require 30 days and take board for those thirty days, even if you leave before that 30th day,… so…
I’m not sure her defenders have a leg yo stand on there.

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Well, you’re right that 30 days notice was required. MB was required to give her thirty days notice, on say, July 1, that she could no longer be there as of Aug 1.

You’re explaining his behavior by appealing to the likely behavior of a “wise farmer owner”. He was not a “wise farmer owner”. Whether he was owner or lessee, he was insane, delusional. This has been determined in a court. It is public record.

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@PDDT

@hut-ho78

Magazine was found by the 3rd LE officer on the scene. Handgun was pulled from underneath MB by the 1st LE officer on the scene and tossed to the side where the 2nd LE officer on the scene, who handcuffed MB and RG, found it and placed it in the back of Corporal Fellini’s patrol car.

Edited to add commas because someone is having fun with the post.

Wow, I missed this. LE allowed an active participant in a shooting incident touch evidence and put it in a probably unattended police car!?! Was that testified to? Who saw him “find” it? Wow! So, that is not evidence of anything without proper documentation of where it was found and a proper chain of custody securing it. More proof of how shoddy the police work was.

Here is the problem with some people using just the quote feature. It’s an example of misquoting and changing the context and meaning of what other people say.

[SpicyPRE]

That is crazy!

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@BigMama1

@hut-ho78

She doesn’t speak Human language but she talked. She gave her deposition in teeth marks.

That’s an amazing skill you have to deduce from tooth marks that MB pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. I guess the person she bit earlier in the week shot someone too?

Did not RC enter their apartment without their permission? Thats a good way to get bitten by the family dog.

[Sdel]

@Angela_Freda

LK was refusing to leave, to the point that lawyers were employed and other places that met her approval were sought as a place to go (who does that??!!). She was supposed to leave soon, per the negotiations (who does that??!!). One might have hoped it would be in that same month. By would it? Who could know?

According to public posting by RG, they weren’t going to even talk about leaving until they got that $50k from MB.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

@Jealoushe

30 days notice doesn’t apply when someone is booted out though. If you boot someone out September 15 you don’t get to ask them for October board LOL.

This is not an argument for either side.

It entirely depends on what the BO has written and established in their boarding contract. Not every barn has the same clause. Every barn can be different and there is no black and white, right or wrong situation in business.

If someone leaves on the second of the month, even if “booted,” most commonly they are expected to pay the full month’s board. The facility has already budgeted costs of care for that month for the horse. 99.9 percent of BOs do no buy supplies by the day, they buy it in advance.

Some barn owners and training packages even have penalties for breaking contracts. It entirely depends on the original boarding agreement.

The whole conversation about paying board was initiated on CH’s assumption that August board was even paid by LK. CH is making a baseless assumption in attempts to derail the thread. Whether or not August board was paid for really does not matter. If we are splitting hairs, MB would have been completely justified accepting board since horses did not leave until at least September.

I don’t see a point in going back and forth about board when we don’t even know for fact what money was actually exchanged. We don’t know what work/services were exchanged by RG either.

I merely said that if a check for $5,000 for Aug board was cashed by Barisone, it somewhat cuts against the argument that he had asked her to leave “many times”. That’s all.

The horses did not leave until “at least September” because MB interrupted her negotiations to leave by shooting her.

Ignore my posts, disagree with my points, whatever. But saying my posts are made to “derail the thread” is untrue and so tedious at this point.

What exactly is the supposed topic of the thread, given that there are no new developments on the contempt orders?

[SpicyPRE]

WOW - that is definitely eye opening as to the actions of LE at a crime scene. It really opens up a whole new level of concern for me

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@PDDT

@hut-ho78

RG found it and placed it in the back of Corporal Fellini’s patrol car.

Wow, I missed this. LE allowed an active participant in a shooting incident touch evidence and put it in a probably unattended police car!?! Was that testified to? Who saw him “find” it? Wow! So, that is not evidence of anything without proper documentation of where it was found and a proper chain of custody securing it. More proof of how shoddy the police work was.

I love how y’all complain about no one being searched and secured and then complain again when you find out they were.

LE did a good job. Over 40 LE and medical first responders came to an active shooter site. Everyone lived. The scene was described initially as chaotic.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Jealoushe

@Warmblood1

If someone leaves on the second of the month, even if “booted,” most commonly they are expected to pay the full month’s board. The facility has already budgeted costs of care for that month for the horse. 99.9 percent of BOs do no buy supplies by the day, they buy it in advance.

Some barn owners and training packages even have penalties for breaking contracts. It entirely depends on the original boarding agreement.

Yes the remainder of the month but they wouldn’t be expected to pay the next month a la 30 days notice.

I agree it does depend on the contract, but I have personally never seen one that retains the board for the month following your booted outness. I’m aware of how boarding works with costs etc, I have had boarders for a long time.

In this case, though, there was no written contract.

MB could have had a written contract that said that the trainer could terminate the board arrangement and kick out your horses with 7 days notice or 3 days notice or 24 hours notice.

[SpicyPRE]

The point is that you seem to have information that others dont. Why is that?

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@Sdel

@avjudge

Earlier discussion in these threads was that that the 2nd magazine was “found” in the back seat but I never heard how it got there (i.e. who put it there).

I remember that. I don’t remember anyone testifying they put it there….but I do remember they were very uncomfortable about that testimony. I wonder what else was in the area around where RG was running around. The officer that mentioned it made it sound like no one was really paying attention to him.

It also kind of contradicts the first arriving officer that said RG just picked up the dog and put it in the house.

The second officer said RG finally caught the dog, put it in the house, saw how bad off Lk was and became agitated so he cuffed him for his own protection and others. Heymer, the 1st officer was working on LK, performing life saving measures. He had his hand on her chest and was holding a gun on MB while also watching RG chase Rosie when the second officer arrived.

[trubandloki]

@hut-ho78

I love how y’all complain about no one being searched and secured and then complain again when you find out they were.

LE did a good job. Over 40 LE and medical first responders came to an active shooter site. Everyone loved. The scene was described initially as chaotic.

Bolding & underline by me. (Screen shot too so no one can claim I changed anything.)
Maybe if everyone was not loving on each other and actually doing police work there would have been real evidence of what happened that day.
But some how all that loving did not lead to GSR tests, locating the infamous third casing, letting someone go off into the house without supervision, not searching all the other vehicles on the site, etc.
Too much love, not enough police work.

@SpicyPRE

The point is that you seem to have information that others dont. Why is that?

If you (general you) make something up and state it as a fact then you (same general you) can appear to have information others do not have.

[eggbutt]

@hut-ho78

LE did a good job. Over 40 LE and medical first responders came to an active shooter site. Everyone loved. The scene was described initially as chaotic

I asked my ex-cop husband how many crime scenes he attended that weren’t chaotic! He actually laughed out loud and said all crime scenes are chaotic and that is when proper training is paramount in following procedures and collecting evidence…um, that definitely was not done by this PD. So, in a way, I guess you are right…if the worst thing they encounter is someone jaywalking, they probably were overwhelmed when they arrived, especially without training. Officer Heymer is lucky to be alive. I hope he’s learned how he should actually have proceeded upon arrival.

I’m glad everyone loved.

I have way too much to do today than follow all this rehashing malarkey and presenting fantasy as fact. Lines are almost crossed as far as I am concerned.

Carry on.

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@trubandloki

Bolding & underline by me. (Screen shot too so no one can claim I changed anything.)
Maybe if everyone was not loving on each other and actually doing police work there would have been real evidence of what happened that day.
But some how all that loving did not lead to GSR tests, locating the infamous third casing, letting someone go off into the house without supervision, not searching all the other vehicles on the site, etc.
Too much love, not enough police work.

Yes…everyone was too busy rubbernecking the scene and not enough work. You forgot…watching RG chase a dog around near an unsupervised police vehicle where a piece of “evidence” just miraculously showed up….I wonder if other evidence could have disappeared before RG and the scene was properly secured.

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@DownYonder

@hut-ho78

…an extra newly loaded magazine

How do you know it was newly loaded?

The office description by LE, an ammo box was open and items were kind of left about and there was a box of ammo. RC’s testimony that she did not give MB any ammo except any that was in the clip in the gun. My memory is that the second magazine was empty and he had to buy the ammo for the handgun.

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@hut-ho78

he had to buy the ammo for the handgun.

Can you please point me to the evidence that shows he did this? I’d like to add it to the timeline. Thanks.

[trubandloki]

Maybe too much loving for your memory to be working correctly.

I remember that Michael did not buy any ammo or have access to that ammo.

(Random hippo)

[eggbutt]

Indeed…how long was RG running around the property, in and out of the house before he was searched and handcuffed? Any weapon he had on him was long gone by the time the cops woke up to the fact that he might actually be dangerous (he was BTW). Isn’t there a little koi pond near the the house? Did Barney search it? Did daddy and BF retrieve anything out of it the next day? So much we’ll never know as fact had the cops done their jobs, not only the day of but the days before the shooting!!

To be very clear, had they done their jobs and obtained evidence, Michael Barisone would be in federal prison for a long time or he’d would have been freed that day. You all know who I think should be in federal prison for attempted murder, don’t you?

[Paint_Party]

I’m just going to leave this here:

An active shooter is defined by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security as “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area; in most cases, active shooters use firearm[s] and there is no pattern or method to their selection of victims.”

So the ridiculous speculation that MB was gunnin’ for everyone on the expansive farm property is absurd. And… we still don’t know the actual how and why the gun was fired, anyway.

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@SpicyPRE

The point is that you seem to have information that others dont. Why is that?

What information do I have that others do not?