MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@trubandloki

@hut-ho78

I love how y’all complain about no one being searched and secured and then complain again when you find out they were.

LE did a good job. Over 40 LE and medical first responders came to an active shooter site. Everyone loved. The scene was described initially as chaotic.

Bolding & underline by me. (Screen shot too so no one can claim I changed anything.)
Maybe if everyone was not loving on each other and actually doing police work there would have been real evidence of what happened that day.
But some how all that loving did not lead to GSR tests, locating the infamous third casing, letting someone go off into the house without supervision, not searching all the other vehicles on the site, etc.
Too much love, not enough police work.

@SpicyPRE

The point is that you seem to have information that others dont. Why is that?

If you (general you) make something up and state it as a fact then you (same general you) can appear to have information others do not have.

@trubandloki has caught @hut-ho78 correcting a typo. Alert the media!

HH has often defended the actions of LE by pointing out that “everyone lived”. In this post she made the typo “everyone loved”. And then she had the audacity to correct the typo!

Who does that? Well, everybody.

[trubandloki]

Oh @Paint_Party, why are you tossing around facts?!

Calling him an active shooter sounds so dramatic and then they can call Robert/Jim a super hero.

[trubandloki]

If we can not have fun with our bad typing skills then there is a problem because we have all made typing errors and we all laugh at them. Not sure why panties need to be bunched about some fun with a typing error.

But it is true, that there was way too much loving and not enough police work going on.

That is not a typing error. That is a full fact.

And Hippos are cute. That is also a fact.

[Sdel]

@trubandloki

I remember that Michael did not buy any ammo or have access to that ammo.

Yes, I thought RC testified that she gave him both magazines: one partial (the one used), one full. There was a box of ammo, but no one explained how it got there, or how many bullets were removed from it, or ever actually connected it to anyone. It was just like, hello, here it is….kind of like that magazine in the backseat of a cop car where RG was running around…unsearched and not secured….

I seem to recall a FB post about only needing 3 bullets….3 “shots” were described in this story…I sense a theme….

Also, access to the office….possibly/probably the safe too……and all that access to the barn while people were sleeping….

[ekat]

@trubandloki

And Hippos are cute. That is also a fact.

I wonder if Michael has ever, or would consider drawing a hippo? Because hippos are awesome and so is his art.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

he had to buy the ammo for the handgun.

Can you please point me to the evidence that shows he did this? I’d like to add it to the timeline. Thanks.

The 48 hours episode quoted the prosecutor as saying MB bought ammo and loaded the magazine. In the trial there was detailed testimony as to how the gun and magazine were loaded when RC turned them over to MB, vs how they were loaded at the scene.

[Einhorn]

@trubandloki

And Hippos are cute. That is also a fact.

But so, so dangerous!

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

The 48 hours episode quoted the prosecutor as saying MB bought ammo and loaded the magazine. In the trial there was detailed testimony as to how the gun and magazine were loaded when RC turned them over to MB, vs how they were loaded at the scene.

Thank you, but I’m looking for actual evidence MB bought the ammo.

[hut-ho78]

@eggbutt

Indeed…how long was RG running around the property, in and out of the house before he was searched and handcuffed? Any weapon he had on him was long gone by the time the cops woke up to the fact that he might actually be dangerous (he was BTW). Isn’t there a little koi pond near the the house? Did Barney search it? Did daddy and BF retrieve anything out of it the next day? So much we’ll never know as fact had the cops done their jobs, not only the day of but the days before the shooting!!

To be very clear, had they done their jobs and obtained evidence, Michael Barisone would be in federal prison for a long time or he’d would have been freed that day. You all know who I think should be in federal prison for attempted murder, don’t you?

Your information is incorrect. According to the first and second officer, RG was on top of MB when the first arrived. The first told him to get off MB, held them both at gunpoint, found the handgun, removed the magazine, tilled them to the side, told him to put the dog in the house, kept them in sight while he checked on LK. The second officer arrived, retrieved the first officer’s medical kit, gave it to him, searched MB, handcuffed him, kept RG in sight the entire time, watched RG put the dog in the house, just placing her inside the front door. He then handcuffed RG. He found the gun where Heymer tossed it and placed it in the back of Fellini’s car. The third officer found the magazine in MB’s pocket. These things happened quickly. They all arrived within just a very few minutes of each other.

[Warmblood1]

@Paint_Party

I’m just going to leave this here:

An active shooter is defined by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security as “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area; in most cases, active shooters use firearm[s] and there is no pattern or method to their selection of victims.”

So the ridiculous speculation that MB was gunnin’ for everyone on the expansive farm property is absurd. And… we still don’t know the actual how and why the gun was fired, anyway.

Thank you. Referring to MB as an active shooter is cringey and wholly ignorant.

[Warmblood1]

@Jealoushe

@Warmblood1

If someone leaves on the second of the month, even if “booted,” most commonly they are expected to pay the full month’s board. The facility has already budgeted costs of care for that month for the horse. 99.9 percent of BOs do no buy supplies by the day, they buy it in advance.

Some barn owners and training packages even have penalties for breaking contracts. It entirely depends on the original boarding agreement.

Yes the remainder of the month but they wouldn’t be expected to pay the next month a la 30 days notice.

I agree it does depend on the contract, but I have personally never seen one that retains the board for the month following your booted outness. I’m aware of how boarding works with costs etc, I have had boarders for a long time.

Just because you have not seen it certainly does not mean it doesn’t exist.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

The 48 hours episode quoted the prosecutor as saying MB bought ammo and loaded the magazine. In the trial there was detailed testimony as to how the gun and magazine were loaded when RC turned them over to MB, vs how they were loaded at the scene.

Thank you, but I’m looking for actual evidence MB bought the ammo.

Such as video from the store where he bought it?

The only evidence I’m aware of is that the loading of the gun and magazine was different when recovered at the scene relative to when RC testified she handed it to MB. That indicates that MB put more conscious thought into arriving armed at the scene that simply impulsively picking up the gun RC had handed to him.

[Einhorn]

[quote=“hut-ho78, post:8254, topic:775980”]
kept RG in sight the entire time
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Eye witness testimony is so tricky. I have no doubt the officer was telling his truth, but having a shooting victim right in front of you, with another officer doing first aid would be hard to ignore if this was not routine.

We drop back on our training in stressful situations, this PD, through the testimony of their officers, didn’t have great training. I’m guessing he kept a very distracted eye on RG, who was running around, and would have had time to do a few sneaky things if so inclined.
I’d think the officer also watched MB, because a handcuffed person isn’t completely immobilized and could still be dangerous.

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Such as video from the store where he bought it?

The only evidence I’m aware of is that the loading of the gun and magazine was different when recovered at the scene relative to when RC testified she handed it to MB. That indicates that MB put more conscious thought into arriving armed at the scene that simply impulsively picking up the gun RC had handed to him.

Well, let’s review Ruth’s testimony. One magazine was full, the other probably had several bullets in it. 43:01

So did Michael buy the ammo for her to load? Did I miss that testimony? Did the prosecutor enter a receipt or anything into evidence to show MB bought it?

NJ v. Michael Barisone Trial Day 3 - Direct/Cross Exam Continues with Ruth Cox -...

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Warmblood1

@Jealoushe

@Warmblood1

If someone leaves on the second of the month, even if “booted,” most commonly they are expected to pay the full month’s board. The facility has already budgeted costs of care for that month for the horse. 99.9 percent of BOs do no buy supplies by the day, they buy it in advance.

Some barn owners and training packages even have penalties for breaking contracts. It entirely depends on the original boarding agreement.

Yes the remainder of the month but they wouldn’t be expected to pay the next month a la 30 days notice.

I agree it does depend on the contract, but I have personally never seen one that retains the board for the month following your booted outness. I’m aware of how boarding works with costs etc, I have had boarders for a long time.

Just because you have not seen it certainly does not mean it doesn’t exist.

The contract? No, of course not.

My basis for saying there was no board contract is that Tarshis testified that he knew there was no written board contract between MB and LK.

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Warmblood1

@Jealoushe

30 days notice doesn’t apply when someone is booted out though. If you boot someone out September 15 you don’t get to ask them for October board LOL.

This is not an argument for either side.

It entirely depends on what the BO has written and established in their boarding contract. Not every barn has the same clause. Every barn can be different and there is no black and white, right or wrong situation in business.

If someone leaves on the second of the month, even if “booted,” most commonly they are expected to pay the full month’s board. The facility has already budgeted costs of care for that month for the horse. 99.9 percent of BOs do no buy supplies by the day, they buy it in advance.

Some barn owners and training packages even have penalties for breaking contracts. It entirely depends on the original boarding agreement.

The whole conversation about paying board was initiated on CH’s assumption that August board was even paid by LK. CH is making a baseless assumption in attempts to derail the thread. Whether or not August board was paid for really does not matter. If we are splitting hairs, MB would have been completely justified accepting board since horses did not leave until at least September.

I don’t see a point in going back and forth about board when we don’t even know for fact what money was actually exchanged. We don’t know what work/services were exchanged by RG either.

I merely said that if a check for $5,000 for Aug board was cashed by Barisone, it somewhat cuts against the argument that he had asked her to leave “many times”. That’s all.

The horses did not leave until “at least September” because MB interrupted her negotiations to leave by shooting her.

Ignore my posts, disagree with my points, whatever. But saying my posts are made to “derail the thread” is untrue and so tedious at this point.

What exactly is the supposed topic of the thread, given that there are no new developments on the contempt orders?

No, it doesn’t. If someone is evicted, their rent check will be cashed until they leave. That is SOP. Cashing said rent check is in no way a reflection of the relationship between landlord and tenant. The tenant owes money for a service, good relation or bad, much like LK owed money for the care of horses. What I would be curious to know is if LK paid MB for September’s care of her horses. Since you feel so comfortable with conclusion drawn based on zero evidence (IE. that LK actually gave MB a check for $5k in August), I’ll make the conclusion that LK did not pay for September. Before you refer back to your favorite line - shot or not, she owed a service. Also, there is no forensic evidence to show MB shot her and also, self defense is a constitutional right.

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

he had to buy the ammo for the handgun.

Can you please point me to the evidence that shows he did this? I’d like to add it to the timeline. Thanks.

You got me there. I guess RC could have been mistaken and forgot that she gave him the ammo. Maybe he lost a tooth, left it in the safe, and the tooth fairy left him a box of ammo for that specific weapon that RC just happened to bring. Maybe someone gave it to him. If he didn’t buy it and someone gave it to him, could that be conspiracy? If he did buy it although that points to premeditated, he has already been acquitted of the crime by reason of insanity though proven to have committed the act of shooting LK twice in the chest.

Wonder what the civil trial will make of the box of ammo? It may be possible to go back to the manufacturer and try to trace where it was sold and approximately when. That would be some interesting information for the civil trial.

[jvanrens]

@hut-ho78

He had the gun. He took it from RC. He threw MHG and the CPS lady out of the office. He took the gun with 2 bullets in a magazine and an extra newly loaded magazine in his pocket to the house.

How do you know the extra magazine was newly loaded?? RC testified that it might or might not have had bullets in it.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

You got me there. I guess RC could have been mistaken and forgot that she gave him the ammo. Maybe he lost a tooth, left it in the safe, and the tooth fairy left him a box of ammo for that specific weapon that RC just happened to bring. Maybe someone gave it to him. If he didn’t buy it and someone gave it to him, could that be conspiracy? If he did buy it although that points to premeditated, he has already been acquitted of the crime by reason of insanity though proven to have committed the act of shooting LK twice in the chest.

Wonder what the civil trial will make of the box of ammo? It may be possible to go back to the manufacturer and try to trace where it was sold and approximately when. That would be some interesting information for the civil trial.

I mean, she did testify that one magazine was full. So…maybe he (or the tooth fairy, or the bullet fairy) unloaded it and reloaded it with other bullets?

[Warmblood1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Warmblood1

@Jealoushe

@Warmblood1

If someone leaves on the second of the month, even if “booted,” most commonly they are expected to pay the full month’s board. The facility has already budgeted costs of care for that month for the horse. 99.9 percent of BOs do no buy supplies by the day, they buy it in advance.

Some barn owners and training packages even have penalties for breaking contracts. It entirely depends on the original boarding agreement.

Yes the remainder of the month but they wouldn’t be expected to pay the next month a la 30 days notice.

I agree it does depend on the contract, but I have personally never seen one that retains the board for the month following your booted outness. I’m aware of how boarding works with costs etc, I have had boarders for a long time.

Just because you have not seen it certainly does not mean it doesn’t exist.

The contract? No, of course not.

My basis for saying there was no board contract is that Tarshis testified that he knew there was no written board contract between MB and LK.

Nope. Not what I’m talking about. I’m saying that because Jealoushe has not seen a contract written a certain way, does not mean contracts written x way do not exist. Because Jealoushe does not include a certain clause in their own boarding contract, does not mean certain clauses do not exist in others.

To your point, it does not matter in there was a written contract. Verbal contracts are frequently established in business and held up in a court of law. You have no idea what the boarding agreement was between LK and MB, therefore, you do not know what stipulations in regards to payments or services were in place. You do not know what LK owed MB or what she paid.