MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[Warmblood1]

@Jealoushe

@Warmblood1

In my opinion, JK regrets his emotional participation in forums and is now trying to backpedal and have the others attempt to convince the forum JK isn’t IM. That’s precious.

Who are the others doing this? I’m pretty sure everyone participating here aside from EB has said they have no relation to the parties?? Surely you don’t mean EB as that wouldn’t make sense.

Hasn’t it been established that you have some sort of relation with LK? Weren’t there social media posts of you and her interacting?

[OntheFnce]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Maria

Can this end?

Answer: if a stable puts that language in their contract and the boarder signs the contract the boarder is obligated to pay. If it is not in the contract the boarder is not obligated to pay.

Every boarding, training and plain old barn has the right to develop and implement any kind of contract they want. If they want all horses in the barn to wear Fuchsia blankets with orange scorpions on them, they can put that in the contract.

Really, why is this even an issue?

Now, find me an emoji with orange scorpions.

Of course a stable can put whatever language they want in the boarding agreement, and if it’s signed, that’s the contract.

The question is whether any one has seen a board contract of the type FitzE described: such that a boarder being kicked out for cause on Aug 5, tor example, was responsible for not just through board for all of Aug, but also for all of the following month, September as sort of liquidated damages.

I have never seen such a contract.

Yes, I have seen such contracts at barns.

[ekat]

@DownYonder

At any rate - I noticed that there were only a few events in April, May and June, and then things heated up drastically after June 24. For example

To save space, I didn’t quote your whole post.

In rewatching LK’s testimony, I did find a date for Symphony. She arrived at the farm June 8th.

I do have a theory about why May to mid June seem quiet. In case I’m not clear, it is a theory, where I’m speculating.

It is possible they had that meeting at the end of April and MB thought things might calm down.

It is possible that for the month of May, he was off doing clinics and things BNT’s do when they are in demand the summer before an Olympic year, especially when they have a history with the Olympic team and/or Olympic riders.

It is possible the social media poster was posting drama directed at the “barn drunk” she was stuck training with. But since those posts weren’t necessarily about MB, they didn’t make it into trial.

It is also possible that there were more incidents like the day MHG “bullied” her by not letting her use a bridle.

It is possible MB thought he could fix that kind of drama when he had a break in his schedule.

Then another horse shows up. Then he finds out Mike McGrain is doing the work that was supposed to be done by RG, and realizes it’s time to cut his losses. So, he does what he says, and tries to convince them to leave (and consults with an attorney.)

Then everything backfires in a most spectacular way, because the Trifecta has now realized that LK is on the wrong side of the power play she started.

Therefore, she starts working triple time to try to get her way.

That’s my THEORY.

[jvanrens]

@KurPlexed

Off to find a white bathrobe. (Begrudgingly)

Mine’s dark purple. My SO drove about 40 minutes to get it for me. My 25+ YO is still hanging on the back of my bedroom door with a nasty coffee stain on it that won’t go away. Dark colours are your friend.

[DownYonder]

@ohnoO

Her struggle to stay there has always seemed overdone to me.

Way overdone - like totally over the top. And why was she so flippin’ desperate to stay there? It makes no sense to a rational brain.

[DownYonder]

@ekat

That’s my THEORY.

And a very good theory it is. You may be onto something.

[DownYonder]

@MHM

Did they attend a show somewhere in the interim? Maybe if she did not get the scores she wanted with whatever the recent training program was, that set her off.

I thought she had scratched from the show or just didn’t go. Can someone with access to the USDF database confirm if she was entered in a show in May or June 2019, and if so, did she actually compete?

[Omgitsme]

Did anyone confirm there were audio devices?

[jvanrens]

@McGurk

@trubandloki

Lauren and Jonathan Kanarek admit that their problem was MHG and that they thought that since Lauren was paying for Michael’s time that he should pick Lauren over his girlfriend.

To clarify: His focused, dedicated, talented, currently riding FEI levels girlfriend. It wasn’t just the romantic component that made the difference

Who was actually working to make the farm a success! Training horses, teaching lessons, paying her own way…likely worth more than $5K a month for 4 horses.

[Bogey2]

Not sure if this was anywhere in the thread but…ONE horse is 4K a month on average in NJ with a BNT and the cost is even higher in Florida.

[Graymaresrule]

@DownYonder

@ohnoO

Her struggle to stay there has always seemed overdone to me.

Way overdone - like totally over the top. And why was she so flippin’ desperate to stay there? It makes no sense to a rational brain.

There’s the problem right there. Rational they are not.

When was the show she thought she had gotten the last score she needed for her bronze?

[enjoytheride]

@Jealoushe

I don’t. Kind of ironic gaslighting was mentioned cause here it is again

Just trying to get an accurate response. Try and get a real answer and all of a sudden you’re obsessed never mind the thousands of posts posted here from people obsessing over the parties involved…

Obviously I know that. A poster was claiming that 30 days notice clause can require you to pay the month AFTER you are evicted. Which, I asked if that was a thing or not. So far many run around other expenses and what not have been answered and confirmed but not the exact question I asked.

I will form my own conclusion based on the replies. No need to discuss further for me.

You said you believe others are trying to convince posters on the board that JK is not IM? Who

I don’t think that cashing a check for August board = MB never asked LK to leave or wanted to evict or or was thinking about/already had filed for eviction. Nor does accepting a board check mean that an eviction has been cancelled. I have no idea what the contract was, but the board check being cashed isn’t an Ah Ha! moment or a gottcha. It’s probably not even related at all. Boarding contracts can and do vary, sometimes wildly.

[I_dratherbe]

@Graymaresrule

When was the show she thought she had gotten the last score she needed for her bronze?

I believe she got her qualifying 3rd level score at a show on June 7-8, and I think I recall that MHG congratulated her on getting her bronze not realizing that her two 2nd level scores were from the same judge and so LK still needed a second level score, and that LK was later really pissed about MB/MHG not keeping track of what scores LK needed???

[eggbutt]

@DownYonder

@MHM

Did they attend a show somewhere in the interim? Maybe if she did not get the scores she wanted with whatever the recent training program was, that set her off.

I thought she had scratched from the show or just didn’t go. Can someone with access to the USDF database confirm if she was entered in a show in May or June 2019, and if so, did she actually compete?

USDFScores.com does not record scratches or no shows. Only earned scores.

[Jenerationx]

@trubandloki

Reminder post:

Lauren Kanarek has said under oath at a trial that she lies. She has also said under oath at the trial that she had a plan to ruin Michael Barisone and that she said to Finish the Bastard.

Jonathan Kanarek, also known as @Inigo-montoya, a lawyer and the father of Lauren Kanarek is refusing to comply with discovery in the civil case that Lauren Kanarek filed. There has been a contempt request filed against Jonathan Kanarek.

Kirby Kanarek, also known as @Seeker1, is the mother of Lauren Kanarek is also refusing to comply with discovery in the civil case that Lauren Kanarek filed. There has been a contempt request filed against Kirby Kanarek too.

Lauren Kanarek is refusing to travel to NJ, where she filed the lawsuit, to sit for a deposition, again, in the case she filed. Claiming she is afraid of Covid though nothing else she is doing publicly appears to be a Covid worry.

Mind boggling when you look at it in black and white. Also not only did LK, but also both parents hop on COTH to spread lies and misinformation.

[3PonyFarm]

That show and MHG’s response should probably be on ekat’s timeline.

@ekat, do you think the show and response is significant enough to add to the chain of events?

[MHM]

@3PonyFarm

That show and MHG’s response should probably be on ekat’s timeline.

@ekat, do you think the show and response is significant enough to add to the chain of events?

It might not be significant enough in a discussion about rational people. However…

[Graymaresrule]

@MHM

@3PonyFarm

That show and MHG’s response should probably be on ekat’s timeline.

@ekat, do you think the show and response is significant enough to add to the chain of events?

It might not be significant enough in a discussion about rational people. However…

Yes but I think it was fuel on the fire

[eggbutt]

@3PonyFarm

That show and MHG’s response should probably be on ekat’s timeline.

@ekat, do you think the show and response is significant enough to add to the chain of events?

The Bronze dispute was over the 2nd level requirements. She rode under Brown twice at two separate shows. Brown substituted for the 2nd 2nd level class which meant the score wouldn’t count toward the Bronze. LK said she was suing show management and officially complaining, making a huge stink on FB about it. Someone finally pointed out fact that judges can be switched for any reason as long as the switch is not midclass. She blames MH for not paying attention to the switch and for not knowing it would not count.
Most riders keep their own records and know what judges they’ve shown under when chasing points. For sure Olympic caliber riders keep their own records and memorize them, but not Lauren. That would require effort and accountability.

[3PonyFarm]

If I remember correctly, in some of the earlier threads, that it was felt that it was deliberate or something like that although I am not sure since my memory is crap.