MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[eggbutt]

Maybe he’s all they can afford OR is the only one willing to take their case. Maybe they are all golfing buddies. Who knows? For sure he is proving he is not the caliber of Deininger and Bilinkas. Well, he did that when he called a jury insane.

I wonder why Nagel didn’t advise the Kanareks about illegal recordings like ED did? Or maybe he did and that’s an RG recording we haven’t heard.

[trubandloki]

Do you suppose someone warned HIM (Lauren Kanarek’s lawyer) about his risk of being recorded illegally? I sure hope he was watching that part of the trial.

[eggbutt]

@trubandloki

That response is not fully honest anyway since she has made so much of her social media private now that she finally realizes that things she says can be used against her.

There are always subpoenas to these various sm platforms, including asking for deleted posts! It sounds as though Nagel is actually bullying the defense to get subpoenas to these sourced. “Get it yourself!” Again, such similarities to a current ex-politician…unfathomable.

[eggbutt]

@yaya

So putting all the social media stuff aside, she doesn’t have a single date book or phone calendar entry for doctor’s appointments regarding her injuries? Who doesn’t keep records for something like that?

Some don’t go to doctors for fear of exposing “other issues”.

The video of her riding with a dangerous zip tie contraption will be interesting, even to non horse savvy jurists.

Again, let me point out, the Kanareks never thought they would be in this position. It was supposed to be a slam dunk once Michael was sentenced to 80 years in prison.

[ekat]

Interesting points to ponder.

There is absolutely no benefit to Michael to delay the process, even if the process includes a recommendation for commitment. It only delays him getting started on recommended treatment and heading towards review hearings.

Meanwhile, if there’s a positive evaluation out there that recommends Michael getting out and getting on with his life, well, why would the State want to hurry up and admit one more defeat in this case?

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

Interesting points to ponder.

There is absolutely no benefit to Michael to delay the process, even if the process includes a recommendation for commitment. It only delays him getting started on recommended treatment and heading towards review hearings.

Meanwhile, if there’s a positive evaluation out there that recommends Michael getting out and getting on with his life, well, why would the State want to hurry up and admit one more defeat in this case?

That’s what I’m thinking. Any report issued would be sent to Judge and D.A. so they would know if the evaluation was in Barisones favor is my hunch. That makes any delay suspect in that regard.

Thank you @CurrentlyHorseless for putting the idea in my head that any delay might be a manipulation by one of the parties and not AK itself or it being vacation related.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@FitzE

I defer to US legal professionals re: how judges holidays work. However, I will say that, given how egregiously this court has violated the clearly articulated standards under Krol with respect to the timing of the first post-acquittal hearing, I’m genuinely shocked that the judge was allowed to faff of on holiday suddenly and thus further exacerbate the court’s violation.

The continued delays are absolutely a violation of the rights of the acquitted and the court is, especially with this last-minute postponement for a holiday, exposing itself to some genuine risk while it establishes a pattern of behaviour towards this particular acquittee through its flagrant violation of Krol.

The hearing has been delayed twice now, even not counting the initial delay getting into Ann Klein.

If these delays are coming from the court’s side and not Barisone’s side, I agree that it is a very serious matter and very unfair to Barisone.

It’s because I find it so hard to imagine that the court system would permit a judge to blow off an important long scheduled hearing for a vacation that I just doubt that’s what happened.

I place considerable weight on the possibility that the hearing was delayed at the request of Barisone’s lawyers.

Is there any hard evidence that the Aug 27 hearing was canceled due to a change in the judge’s vacation plans? Or other reason coming from the courts?

[DownYonder]

I am really pretty astounded at the way LK’s attorney has handled things.

1. Going off about the jury in the criminal trial
2. Ignoring subpoenas
3. Finally (after his client is faced with possible Contempt of Court), drafting and filing a badly written, inaccurate, and overly emotional response to the subpoenas

It makes me wonder if his golfing trips (or whatever) perhaps involve a lot of Happy Hours.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I place considerable weight on the possibility that the hearing was delayed at the request of Barisone’s lawyers.

What would be the benefit to Barisone? Any delay just lengthens his incarceration there. Please state what motive there might be for MB to do so.

I can name 10 motives for the other parties to do so.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@ekat

Interesting points to ponder.

There is absolutely no benefit to Michael to delay the process, even if the process includes a recommendation for commitment. It only delays him getting started on recommended treatment and heading towards review hearings.

Meanwhile, if there’s a positive evaluation out there that recommends Michael getting out and getting on with his life, well, why would the State want to hurry up and admit one more defeat in this case?

That’s what I’m thinking. Any report issued would be sent to Judge and D.A. so they would know if the evaluation was in Barisones favor is my hunch. That makes any delay suspect in that regard.

Thank you @CurrentlyHorseless for putting the idea in my head that any delay might be a manipulation by one of the parties and not AK itself or it being vacation related.

Please quote the post in which I suggested that the delay “might be a manipulation by one of the parties”.

I refuse to take responsibility for any of the “ideas” swirling around in your head, KM.

[LiberalSnowflake]

@LiberalSnowflake

@ekat

@eggbutt

He also went into detail about her testifying without a mask at the criminal trial and apparently is going about her business in FL with photo attached! Go Chris!!!

Yeah, the picture really is a nice touch.

When I said further upthread that she’d posted on her Insta for the first time in ages (I didn’t post the actual photos, but that photo in the attachment and others were posted by her), I was accused of hate stalking her, I guess the defence is hate stalking her now too?

I know I’m replying to myself, but yesterday I joked above that the defence was “hate stalking” LK, and that same day they write a letter declaring that the defence is stalking LK. Did LKs “top five law firm” take their legal arguments from COTH for that petulant and mis-spelled word salad they issued yesterday? That would just be too perfect.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@LiberalSnowflake

@LiberalSnowflake

@ekat

@eggbutt

He also went into detail about her testifying without a mask at the criminal trial and apparently is going about her business in FL with photo attached! Go Chris!!!

Yeah, the picture really is a nice touch.

When I said further upthread that she’d posted on her Insta for the first time in ages (I didn’t post the actual photos, but that photo in the attachment and others were posted by her), I was accused of hate stalking her, I guess the defence is hate stalking her now too?

I know I’m replying to myself, but yesterday I joked above that the defence was “hate stalking” LK, and that same day they write a letter declaring that the defence is stalking LK. Did LKs “top five law firm” take their legal arguments from COTH for that petulant and mis-spelled word salad they issued yesterday? That would just be too perfect.

Well, great minds think alike.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@ekat

Interesting points to ponder.

There is absolutely no benefit to Michael to delay the process, even if the process includes a recommendation for commitment. It only delays him getting started on recommended treatment and heading towards review hearings.

Meanwhile, if there’s a positive evaluation out there that recommends Michael getting out and getting on with his life, well, why would the State want to hurry up and admit one more defeat in this case?

That’s what I’m thinking. Any report issued would be sent to Judge and D.A. so they would know if the evaluation was in Barisones favor is my hunch. That makes any delay suspect in that regard.

Thank you @CurrentlyHorseless for putting the idea in my head that any delay might be a manipulation by one of the parties and not AK itself or it being vacation related.

**Please quote the post in which I suggested that the delay “might be a manipulation by one of the parties”. **

I refuse to take responsibility for any of the “ideas” swirling around in your head, KM.

You said it AGAIN here.

[Knights_Mom]

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

I place considerable weight on the possibility that the hearing was delayed at the request of Barisone’s lawyers.

What would be the benefit to Barisone? Any delay just lengthens his incarceration there. Please state what motive there might be for MB to do so.

I can name 10 motives for the other parties to do so.

If the probability of commitment based on the Aug 27 reports is 80%, as perceived by Barisone’s lawyers, and they think that with further treatment the probability of commitment at an October hearing could be 45%, it’s better to wait. I also think that once a decision to commit is made, it will be more difficult to get a release decision than if the initial Krol hearing is a decision of release.

Oh, and he’s not incarcerated there. He was acquitted.

Please name the 10 motives for the other parties. Then explain how they would have standing with the court to get the hearing delayed.

[trubandloki]

@Knights_Mom, you are not following orders well, CH demanded quotes, not screen shots.

Has anyone checked the court website today? Anything new filed? Has Kirby Kanarek hired herself a lawyer yet? Has Jonathon Kanarek decided to represent himself (though he is not doing a swell job so far, is he?) or has he hired himself a lawyer? Contempt charges will not look good at bible study.

[ekat]

Not to pick nits, but…Aug 27 was a Saturday. Where did that date come from?

[MHM]

@eggbutt

The video of her riding with a dangerous zip tie contraption will be interesting, even to non horse savvy jurists.

The video of what, now?

[Knights_Mom]

Here is the at least one other place you asserted the claim @CurrentlyHorseless. So either admit you keep asserting its MBs side asking for adjournment or I will not comply with your request for the 10 reasons I previously stated. Quid pro quo.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

I don’t consider Barisone’s lawyers as “other parties”. They’re acting on Barisone’s behalf.

I assume that Barisone, through his lawyers, has standing to request that the hearing be delayed, and ghst it would not be considered “manipulation”.