MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

Not to pick nits, but…Aug 27 was a Saturday. Where did that date come from?

Error for Aug 29.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

I don’t consider Barisone’s lawyers as “other parties”. They’re acting on Barisone’s behalf.

I assume that Barisone, through his lawyers, has standing to request that the hearing be delayed, and ghst it would not be considered “manipulation”.

As you will not comply neither shall I.

You have been proven wrong. Good day.

[trubandloki]

@MHM

@eggbutt

The video of her riding with a dangerous zip tie contraption will be interesting, even to non horse savvy jurists.

The video of what, now?

It came up in one of the other threads. Lauren posted a video, thanking RG for making her this contraption that keeps her arms/shoulders back so she can better keep her hands where they should be (from the comments it seems like this is a problem Lauren had even when she did the hunters). It literally ties her arms to her body with huge zip ties. She was very proud of it. I would guess someone saved it somewhere.

Edit to add - I too am constantly fighting with my arms going every which way, so I totally get the desire to make them not do that. I also realize how unsafe it is to zip tie my arms to my body.

[LilRanger]

@ekat

Most people have never cared about it here in the great Southwest.

Hey now, us in NM care very much! Though perhaps we are not so great?

[MHM]

@trubandloki

@MHM

@eggbutt

The video of her riding with a dangerous zip tie contraption will be interesting, even to non horse savvy jurists.

The video of what, now?

It came up in one of the other threads. Lauren posted a video, thanking RG for making her this contraption that keeps her arms/shoulders back so she can better keep her hands where they should be (from the comments it seems like this is a problem Lauren had even when she did the hunters). It literally ties her arms to her body with huge zip ties. She was very proud of it. I would guess someone saved it somewhere.

Hoo, boy. Thanks for the explanation.

If anyone finds it, please share.

[eggbutt]

I imagine several high profile news outlets are beginning to question all the delays in Michael’s hearing. It really has become apparent to many the suggestion that the delays are punitive could be a reality.

I honestly think there is some real fear someone in the Kanarek family will be charged with something…don’t ask me what, it’s simply a gut feeling. These gung-ho folks certainly have begun dragging their feet in every way.

If Lauren has the physical ability to ride 5-6 horses every day before noon as she stated long ago, she doesn’t have many lasting ill effects from her injuries. Speaking of riding, I wonder if her trainer (the one before the trial) has been subpoenaed to discuss her physical abilities during lessons?

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If the probability of commitment based on the Aug 27 reports is 80%, as perceived by Barisone’s lawyers, and they think that with further treatment the probability of commitment at an October hearing could be 45%, it’s better to wait. I also think that once a decision to commit is made, it will be more difficult to get a release decision than if the initial Krol hearing is a decision of release

Let me clear up a misunderstanding for you. Michael Barisone only gets one INITIAL assessment, named because it’s the first. The INITIAL assessment has to be presented to the court per the Krol directives.

No treatment plan can begin until the Initial Assessment is presented to the courts.

Michael Barisone can sit at Ann Klein till the cows come home, but he’s stuck in limbo until he gets his much-delayed Initial Krol Hearing.

There’s absolutely no benefit to him to request a delay - only detriment.

[trubandloki]

@MHM

@trubandloki

@MHM

@eggbutt

The video of her riding with a dangerous zip tie contraption will be interesting, even to non horse savvy jurists.

The video of what, now?

It came up in one of the other threads. Lauren posted a video, thanking RG for making her this contraption that keeps her arms/shoulders back so she can better keep her hands where they should be (from the comments it seems like this is a problem Lauren had even when she did the hunters). It literally ties her arms to her body with huge zip ties. She was very proud of it. I would guess someone saved it somewhere.

Hoo, boy. Thanks for the explanation.

If anyone finds it, please share.

I do give RG points for his creativity and ability to construct something that keeps a riders arms back.

[DownYonder]

@trubandloki

I do give RG points for his creativity and ability to construct something that keeps a riders arms back.

Maybe he could construct something that keeps her typing fingers under control.

[Knights_Mom]

@DownYonder

@trubandloki

I do give RG points for his creativity and ability to construct something that keeps a riders arms back.

Maybe he could construct something that keeps her typing fingers under control.

I suspect there is zero cure for that. It’s terminal.

[MHM]

@DownYonder

@trubandloki

I do give RG points for his creativity and ability to construct something that keeps a riders arms back.

Maybe he could construct something that keeps her typing fingers under control.

There should definitely be a giant heart option to like this post.

[eggbutt]

@trubandloki

I do give RG points for his creativity and ability to construct something that keeps a riders arms back.

Had she fallen off and injured herself while wearing this gadget, would he still be a hero? Would she sue him too?

[trubandloki]

@eggbutt

@trubandloki

I do give RG points for his creativity and ability to construct something that keeps a riders arms back.

Had she fallen off and injured herself while wearing this gadget, would he still be a hero? Would she sue him too?

Valid questions!
It is a tough thing to guess about.
On one side we have the guy who makes it so she can do nothing but what she wants all day and all night.
That would be hard to give up.

I do sure wish we could see all the subpoenas so we would know what has been asked of RG and his responses. Clearly he has responded since there is no contempt filing against him.

[ekat]

@LilRanger

Hey now, us in NM care very much! Though perhaps we are not so great?

Maybe you are greater than people in my corner of AZ!

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

Error for Aug 29.

Thanks

[lazaret]

@Knights_Mom

It’s the Judge Taylor person and certainly the very black and bruised Prosecutor Schellhorny who probably can’t get over his slam dunk case went OJ in its findings

I doubt he cares that much - while the case was interesting, it was far from a slam dunk, he knew how problematic his witnesses and the situation were/is, and it’s definitely not the only case his department had in flight at the time.

The extent of it will be another docket item he has to prepare for in the Krol, etc hearings but fundamentally his client, the state, lost the case insofar as the defendant being found guilty. There’s not likely to be an appeal, so, that’s simply it.

[Knights_Mom]

@trubandloki

I do sure wish we could see all the subpoenas so we would know what has been asked of RG and his responses. Clearly he has responded since there is no contempt filing against him.

Could very well be. Or maybe he’s negotiating a turn. It occurs to me he could potentially negotiate his own release from his incarceration by Kanarek by testifying on behalf of MB in exchange for a job opportunity where he can live his own life, have his own home and future.

Florida is not a common law marriage state so his unwed time with her counts for nothing. She could dump him at any time or her circumstances change and he’s left on the street. But a job opportunity puts him back to being the master of his own destiny.

I imagine such a possibility would be quite inviting.

[chancellor2]

I think you are all giving LK too much credit.
I think she is simply too lazy to get to NJ to be deposed. She doesn’t want to go and so why should she be forced to do so?

[trubandloki]

Legal Peeps - What happens now that Bruce has responded? Do the lawyers for both sides just go back and forth until the deadline? Does Bruce have a chance to edit his documents to get rid of the things that are clearly factually incorrect to save some face? How do the lawyers for the other side figure out what Bruce was trying to say in the second file that talks about protection order but then is just a copy of the first response?
Can the lawyers for the defense counter pointing out that the plaintiff herself, Lauren Kanarek, told them to look at her social media and the photo that they used as an example of Lauren Kanarek still doing her daily life came from that same social media before it was locked down?

[Knights_Mom]

@trubandloki

Legal Peeps - What happens now that Bruce has responded? Do the lawyers for both sides just go back and forth until the deadline? Does Bruce have a chance to edit his documents to get rid of the things that are clearly factually incorrect to save some face? How do the lawyers for the other side figure out what Bruce was trying to say in the second file that talks about protection order but then is just a copy of the first response?
Can the lawyers for the defense counter pointing out that the plaintiff herself, Lauren Kanarek, told them to look at her social media and the photo that they used as an example of Lauren Kanarek still doing her daily life came from that same social media before it was locked down?

Amended motion can be filed.

Look at social media as a response would be deemed a non responsive answer I believe.