MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[Sdel]

@DownYonder

@Sdel

@DownYonder

Of note to me is that Nagel did not issue that particular filing, but had an underling do it - which makes me wonder if he said something that led said underling to believe that “all parties consented” (when they may not have actually done so).

I had thought that there had to be the opposing attorney’ signature on the filing. That said, I have had opposing council file a “stipulated agreement” with the court, failed to include my name so it couldn’t be searched, and the judge signed it despite my council having emailed the court/filed a complaint on the docket about how they had never even reached out to us about the issue covered in the order…

Hmmm, so if in fact all parties had NOT consented to the request for a rescheduling, then perhaps it was by design that Nagel/O’Conner indicated there was agreement on all sides. IOW, another delaying tactic.

It is an entirely too possible of a scenario. I wouldn’t think it was possible, except it did happen to me, and a true “blue chip” firm did it too.

[Knights_Mom]

Most judges accept a Consent to Change Attorneys if both the outgoing and incoming attorneys sign. To withdraw as an attorney motions are filed. Most judges sign off but we had one vying for Supreme Court who would refuse those on some cases because it would lengthen the amount of time to the conclusion of the case and thus negatively affect her stats.

[DownYonder]

@Warmblood1

I think Schellhorn has moved on with life and cares very little about this case. They see a lot of cases and this wasn’t a hugely publicize trial, a landmark for his career, etc. He was also professional and sane with his behavior and seemed to acknowledge and accept the verdict.

I agree for the most part, except that the outcome of the criminal trial was a landmark of sorts in the legal world. Not only is the insanity defense used in barely 1% of court cases, it has a success rate of only 25%. The odds were heavily in Schellhorn’s favor going into that trial - which just goes to prove how utterly despicable the State’s star witnesses were, and how brilliant Bilinkas and Deininger were in exposing them for what they were (are).

[Knights_Mom]

@DownYonder

@Warmblood1

I think Schellhorn has moved on with life and cares very little about this case. They see a lot of cases and this wasn’t a hugely publicize trial, a landmark for his career, etc. He was also professional and sane with his behavior and seemed to acknowledge and accept the verdict.

I agree for the most part, except that the outcome of the criminal trial was a landmark of sorts in the legal world. Not only is the insanity defense used in barely 1% of court cases, it has a success rate of only 25%. The odds were heavily in Schellhorn’s favor going into that trial - which just goes to prove how utterly despicable the State’s star witnesses were, and how brilliant Bilinkas and Deininger were in exposing them for what they were (are).

This I agree to . Add to that EB just got a case successfully appealed on a well known Taylor case. Knowing judges as I do, I’m sure Taylor’s short hairs were in a twist.

[ekat]

That is an interesting read. Also a little sad. Thank you for posting it.

[hut-ho78]

@Warmblood1

@BigMama1

The criminal trial verdict is completely irrelevant here. The only fact not in dispute is that Lauren got shot and was seriously injured. Everything else - how, by whom, and why - is open for discussion.

While I agree and very much understand what you are saying, I do think the fact that Barisone was proven to be driven temporarily insane by LK’s actions is very relevant to the civil trial. It’s detrimental to K’s civil case.

@lazaret

@Knights_Mom

It’s the Judge Taylor person and certainly the very black and bruised Prosecutor Schellhorny who probably can’t get over his slam dunk case went OJ in its findings

I doubt he cares that much - while the case was interesting, it was far from a slam dunk, he knew how problematic his witnesses and the situation were/is, and it’s definitely not the only case his department had in flight at the time.

Also agree here. I think Schellhorn has moved on with life and cares very little about this case. They see a lot of cases and this wasn’t a hugely publicize trial, a landmark for his career, etc. He was also professional and sane with his behavior and seemed to acknowledge and accept the verdict.

What? His insanity was NEVER proven to be caused by LK. She was not on trial. Why is that so hard for so many to understand. MB was on trial. LK and RG not on trial.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Warmblood1

@BigMama1

The criminal trial verdict is completely irrelevant here. The only fact not in dispute is that Lauren got shot and was seriously injured. Everything else - how, by whom, and why - is open for discussion.

While I agree and very much understand what you are saying, I do think the fact that Barisone was proven to be driven temporarily insane by LK’s actions is very relevant to the civil trial. It’s detrimental to K’s civil case.

@lazaret

@Knights_Mom

It’s the Judge Taylor person and certainly the very black and bruised Prosecutor Schellhorny who probably can’t get over his slam dunk case went OJ in its findings

I doubt he cares that much - while the case was interesting, it was far from a slam dunk, he knew how problematic his witnesses and the situation were/is, and it’s definitely not the only case his department had in flight at the time.

Also agree here. I think Schellhorn has moved on with life and cares very little about this case. They see a lot of cases and this wasn’t a hugely publicize trial, a landmark for his career, etc. He was also professional and sane with his behavior and seemed to acknowledge and accept the verdict.

What? His insanity was NEVER proven to be caused by LK. She was not on trial. Why is that so hard for so many to understand. MB was on trial. LK and RG not on trial.

Have you not read the zillion SM comments who think that very thing happened? You think the jury miraculously felt otherwise?

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

LK and RG not on trial.

LK’s behavior is about to be on trial, for sure. In the lawsuit she initiated.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

By the way, I agree with that little snippet that other than LK being shot twice and flatlining twice and scarred for life and that the last known person to have the weapon used in the shooting was MB will be rehashed in court.

MB was also scarred for life.

All she had to do was LEAVE. It was a stable for Pete’s sake, just a stable.

MB could not leave. It was his place. THAT’S what the jury will see. A jury from a relatively affluent County where people on the jury are likely to be predominantly homeowners.

Yes and he could have evicted her. We’ve been all through this. He shot her not the other way around. His injuries occurred when he was stopped from killing people.

I hope he gets the treatment he needs.

She should have left. He should not have shot her twice, causing her to flatline twice.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

I hope he gets the treatment he needs.

How do you know he needs treatment? Just asking.

@hut-ho78

Yes and he could have evicted her. We’ve been all through this. He shot her not the other way around. His injuries occurred when he was stopped from killing people.

It will certainly be interesting to see how that narrative changes as the civil suit progresses.

[trubandloki]

Oh my, are we going to go over the whole trial again?

Really, no thoughts on Lauren, Jonathan, and Kirby Kanarek having contempt charges against them?

I have not mailed out any reading glasses yet so is it that you just can not read those court filings to comment?

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

By the way, I agree with that little snippet that other than LK being shot twice and flatlining twice and scarred for life and that the last known person to have the weapon used in the shooting was MB will be rehashed in court.

MB was also scarred for life.

All she had to do was LEAVE. It was a stable for Pete’s sake, just a stable.

MB could not leave. It was his place. THAT’S what the jury will see. A jury from a relatively affluent County where people on the jury are likely to be predominantly homeowners.

Yes and he could have evicted her. We’ve been all through this. He shot her not the other way around. His injuries occurred when he was stopped from killing people.

I hope he gets the treatment he needs.

She should have left. He should not have shot her twice, causing her to flatline twice.

I’m reminded of how voraciously velcro holds on to lint.

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

LK and RG not on trial.

LK’s behavior is about to be on trial, for sure. In the lawsuit she initiated.

Finally, acknowledgment of who is on trial when. Thank you so much.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

Really, no thoughts on Lauren, Jonathan, and Kirby Kanarek having contempt charges against them

Technically, only Jonathon and Kirby Kanarek are staring at big ole contempt charges so far.

Lauren Kanarek, through her attorney Bruce, is fighting a motion to compel her to get up to NJ to sit for a deposition in a lawsuit she created. If her past actions are any indicator of future actions, contempt could still happen.

[LilRanger]

@trubandloki

• Does that mean that Kirby Kanarek or Jonathan Kanarek hired a different lawyer in the same office to represent them? Or is it not uncommon for some other lawyer in the same office to jump in and send something like that on a case, using their own name, even though they are not the hired lawyer?

Generally each party will have an attorney from different law firms. This is because it’s assumed any one lawyer in a firm knows about every other case in the form and has access to any of the firm’s files. There can be ways to keep them separate, but a smart litigant/witness will get a totally different law firm to represent them.

[ekat]

@hut-ho78

Finally, acknowledgment of who is on trial when. Thank you so much.

I mean, personally, I’m hoping her next moments on the stand are televised so we can see how she behaves when the pressure is really on because she IS on display.

In the criminal trial, well, she was kind of a mess, despite not really being under fire.

[trubandloki]

@ekat

Technically, only Jonathon and Kirby Kanarek are staring at big ole contempt charges so far.

Lauren Kanarek, through her attorney Bruce, is fighting a motion to compel her to get up to NJ to sit for a deposition in a lawsuit she created. If her past actions are any indicator of future actions, contempt could still happen.

Thank you for correcting me, I do not want to be passing around incorrect information on this topic. There is enough of that here already.

No thoughts on Jonathan (a lawyer) and his wife Kirby Kanarek having contempt charges against them?

No thoughts on RG not having anything filed against him?

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

I hope he gets the treatment he needs.

How do you know he needs treatment? Just asking.

@hut-ho78

Yes and he could have evicted her. We’ve been all through this. He shot her not the other way around. His injuries occurred when he was stopped from killing people.

It will certainly be interesting to see how that narrative changes as the civil suit progresses.

Well that is a point. Dr Schlessinger, the mental health expert for the prosecution, said he was faking it all. The jury agreed with Dr Simring and Dr Hassan, the mental health experts for the defense.

I think the jury got it right. I know. Quite the rarity here. Apparently most of y’all think he faked it too and now is found sane and will be waltzing out of there with champagne and parties like the scene in the movie Ragtime.

He shot someone twice. He had a breakdown. He hasn’t had access to treatment per se according to many posters here but just many evaluations for court and hearings.

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

Finally, acknowledgment of who is on trial when. Thank you so much.

I mean, personally, I’m hoping her next moments on the stand are televised so we can see how she behaves when the pressure is really on because she IS on display.

In the criminal trial, well, she was kind of a mess, despite not really being under fire.

I’m hoping none of it is televised. I was surprised they didn’t declare a mistrial in the criminal trial when Law and Crime kept cameras rolling when jurors names were being read and posters here were reveling in the information.

[DownYonder]

@Knights_Mom

I’m reminded of how voraciously velcro holds on to lint.

It’s like trying to get my terrier to let go of something she wants. I have seen her get dragged into other rooms whilst playing tug of war with a much bigger, stronger dog. H*** no, I am not letting go of this [insert object of the moment]. You will have to pry it from my cold, dead jaws.