MB Civil Trial: JK/KK Contempt of Court?

[ekat]

@eggbutt

True, I mentioned Kanareks not IM. CH made an interesting leap, didn’t she?

I’m so confused, really. Apparently that means I’m doxxing.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

IM has been wrong so many times his word means nothing to me.

Personally, I think LK drove MB to breaking and then he was attacked and various parties suffered injuries as a result of the pile on assault and that it was during that assault the gun discharged either accidentally or was drawn in self defense of MB or by RG as attempted assault.

I believe this jury will see it that same way too.

That may be but then it could go other ways too. It’s a new day. The burden of proof for civil is preponderance not beyond a reasonable doubt plus all of MB’s background is in play as well, not just the good.

Yes, there is a lot of good. He contributed greatly to dressage sport.

[ekat]

@eggbutt

Speaking of Dr Simring, it will be interesting to know if he will be present for the Krol hearing and if he will participate in the civil trials?

I imagine his reports will once again take center stage. He saw Michael a month after the shooting. He will be in the best position, again, to testify to the mental injury inflicted upon him which is part of not only Michael’s defense, but also his counterclaim for damages.

The Krol hearing - no idea. Michael has the right to present testimony from a psychiatrist of his own. Whether he does or not, and who that would be, I have no clue. If he ever gets his hearing.

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@eggbutt

True, I mentioned Kanareks not IM. CH made an interesting leap, didn’t she?

I’m so confused, really. Apparently that means I’m doxxing.

Yep. What you said sure looks like it.

[SpicyPRE]

Agreed.

[SpicyPRE]

I am truly curious as to your motivation. Clearly this is not a group that is supportive of Team K, and I am certain you are aware of that, however you continue to respond in an obtuse manner that appears to be designed to derail and detract from the topic. Why?

[Danvers]

Send pictures!!!

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@hut-ho78

If they are trying to stabilize MB on medication prior to completion of the report or are having to schedule medical tests to see how much the 8-9 concussions he had in his lifetime have affected him or other medical conditions that could have affected him so that can be treated effectively then it would benefit MB

Oh, but that is so not part of a Krol Initial Assessment. At all. Like, not even a little bit.

@hut-ho78

It would be sad to see him held for another time period before the next mandatory review (can’t remember how long-six months, longer?) because they couldn’t get him stable and no lo now a danger to himself or others with a simple fix in time for the hearing.

As I have stated quite a few times now, 90 days from first hearing to the second, assuming that some level of supervision is ordered.

No need to think sad thoughts since it’s not their job, nor their purpose to stabilize him before they prepare that first report. Just to observe and report.

With respect to your assertion he is being evaluated but not treated, by “not treated” do you include being stabilized on the appropriate psychiatric medications as “treatment”? Even if it’s just antidepressants?

I would find it shocking if he’s been in AK for three months now and the physicians have not treated at least to the extent of
prescribing and administering the appropriate medications.

[hut-ho78]

@SpicyPRE

I am truly curious as to your motivation. Clearly this is not a group that is supportive of Team K, and I am certain you are aware of that, however you continue to respond in an obtuse manner that appear to be designed to derail and detract from the topic. Why?

I have a differing view from many here. I expect a differing viewpoint to lead to a civil discussion.

If the discussion is derailed, it is due to personal insults, doxxing, side discussions on other items.

I haven’t done those.

If your point is no one should post unless they commit to the echo chamber then I disagree with that.

[SillyHorse]

@trubandloki

I am starting to feel like you are not actually reading what was posted.

You’re just now starting to feel that?

[hut-ho78]

So I’ve been reading up on Krol initial hearings again and I believe that treatment can be offered at anytime. The agreed upon treatment that a judge would sign off on would be when the person undergoing evaluation and observation has refused treatment, is a danger to themselves or others, and is being committed at the Krol hearing.

[SpicyPRE]

But your responses are the same things on repeat. Its not contributing to the discussion and appears to be intended to derail it. I am not seeing personal insults unless you feel like you need to defend Team K, including RG. And that is what your posts appear to be doing. Perhaps that is your intent.

[DownYonder]

Can someone do a brief recap of the newest group of filings? I’ve lost track.

[EADoug]

@hut-ho78

If the discussion is derailed, it is due to personal insults, doxxing, side discussions on other items.

I haven’t done those.

I’m just lurking away in the background, but to be fair, the ONLY poster bringing up ANY of these topics is YOU.

You toss a label onto a bunch of benign posts. I’m starting to think you believe there is a Moderator Bot that’s going to ping you for key words.

And before you try to say I’m participating in some sort of bickering or bashing things, I’m just a mere fly on the wall pointing out a trend.

[hut-ho78]

@SpicyPRE

But your responses are the same things on repeat. Its not contributing to the discussion and appears to be intended to derail it. I am not seeing personal insults unless you feel like you need to defend Team K, including RG. And that is what your posts appear to be doing. Perhaps that is your intent.

This discussion is on the trial, not a sidebar discussion of if I just repeat myself or what insults have been bandied about and hopefully cleaned up by the mods. Please feel free to scroll on by if you don’t need to read a repeated post that someone else did not understand.

[eggbutt]

It is my understanding, based on absolutely nothing, that Michael Barisone has received zero medications while at AK unless they are slipping something into his much, much better than jail food. That said, simply the burden of the trial, the outstanding no guilty verdict, being released from a small cell into a place of light and freedom to move about, including being able to shower, has probably worked miracles for Michael’s demeanor. Add to that the significant support he has received from so many well wishers in the form of letters, cards, in person visits from loved ones, regular street clothes and he must be a completely different person from the man we saw at the criminal trial.

[eggbutt]

Do we think Mr and Mrs Kanarek are risking contempt charges because they are ignorant of the law? Do they just not care? I can’t imagine their friend, Judge Taylor, would be pleased at their behavior (sarcasm).

[ekat]

@CurrentlyHorseless

With respect to your assertion he is being evaluated but not treated, by “not treated” do you include being stabilized on the appropriate psychiatric medications as “treatment”? Even if it’s just antidepressants?

I would find it shocking if he’s been in AK for three months now and the physicians have not treated at least to the extent of
prescribing and administering the appropriate medications.

@hut-ho78

So I’ve been reading up on Krol initial hearings again and I believe that treatment can be offered at anytime. The agreed upon treatment that a judge would sign off on would be when the person undergoing evaluation and observation has refused treatment, is a danger to themselves or others, and is being committed at the Krol hearing.

State v. Krol

8.12.2020-Directive-21.20-Supercedes-Directive-9-96-Criminal-Procedures-for-Defendants-Found-Not-Guilty-by-Reason-of-Insanity-and-other-Committments-Resulting-from-Criminal-Proceedings.pdf

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@ekat

@CurrentlyHorseless

That’s not what I remember being expressed by IM.

Is IM a Kanarek? Asking for clarification.

IM never stated himself that he was a Kanarek. However, he said he spoke to the insiders on both sides.

[eggbutt]

Dang, the file is so big I can’t open it! Time to clean the computers!