MB update

[Knights_Mom]

Maybe Nick will come and testify on LKs behalf.

[ekat]

@3PonyFarm

How would the safesport suspension factor into the civil suit, especially if it isn’t lifted by the time he is released?

That’s a very good question. I’m sure we are going to hear about the SS complaints. But ultimately his suspension isn’t a result of her complaint, so, I honestly have no idea.

[DownYonder]

@Knights_Mom

Maybe Nick will come and testify on LKs behalf.

Who is Nick?

[Knights_Mom]

@DownYonder

@Knights_Mom

Maybe Nick will come and testify on LKs behalf.

Who is Nick?

Nick Peronace.

[DownYonder]

@Knights_Mom

Nick Peronace.

Ah, right. Sorry, it’s Friday afternoon and my brain is ready for the end of the day (and week!).

[Einhorn]

@ekat

You know, that’s a good point. She’s going to have to put that out there.

She is, and if it turns out she doesn’t have to work because she is the beneficiary if a trust, it will make it harder to prove significant financial losses besides the medical costs.
Loss of enjoyment to compete in luxury pet activities is going to be, I think, a hard sell to the jury. She is lucky enough to still be able to ride, and certainly enjoy (and still afford) her horses.

[ekat]

@Einhorn

She is, and if it turns out she doesn’t have to work because she is the beneficiary if a trust, it will make it harder to prove significant financial losses besides the medical costs.
Loss of enjoyment to compete in luxury pet activities is going to be, I think, a hard sell to the jury. She is lucky enough to still be able to ride, and certainly enjoy (and still afford) her horses

This is all true. Setting aside fault, for the sake of discussion, MB has a stronger case for compensatory loss, as he had a verifiable income and business to lose.

Interestingly, in NJ, you can ask for punitive damages, and LK and both MB did. Punitive damages are actually, in NJ, decided at a separate trial, and only if compensatory damages are awarded. There’s a cap on punitive damages at 5 times the compensatory amount or $350,000, whichever is greater, and the jury isn’t supposed to know there’s a cap.

So that’s another interesting twist to the whole process.

[Angela_Freda]

Now there’s a Dressage expert to call on
🤦

[trubandloki]

@ekat

But ultimately his suspension isn’t a result of her complaint, so, I honestly have no idea.

No, but his suspension is because of her actions/torture and that suspension means it will be harder for him to make a living.

[Knights_Mom]

Without a doubt the far greater monetary loss was suffered by MB.

As LK is a hobby horsey rider (as most of us are) there is no loss. Plus, she achieved her Bronze after the injury.

So depending on percentage of culpability the jury decides the prospect of greater award seems at this point to be on MBs behalf.

[SuzieQNutter]

I would explain that Dressage is comparable to Ballet. MB is at the top of the game. Due to always napping and missing lessons LK is not dancing on her toes yet.

Hate only hurts those who hate. The only one who has hate is LK. Almost any post you can see from LK has hate in it. It was only hate from LK that meant all this happened.

As I have posted before the only way for LK to go forward from this is to stop hating. From now on she needs the mantra that if you have a choice, always choose to be kind.

Whether that is someone wearing a costume in Walmart, or someone who is dealing with the death of a child or someone who disagrees with her on SM. No more hate. No more insults. No more putting people down.

I see no other way and no I can’t see that happening.

[ekat]

@trubandloki

No, but his suspension is because of her actions/torture and that suspension means it will be harder for him to make a living.

Agreed, for sure

[ekat]

@SuzieQNutter

would explain that Dressage is comparable to Ballet. MB is at the top of the game. Due to always napping and missing lessons LK is not dancing on her toes yet.

Hate only hurts those who hate. The only one who has hate is LK. Almost any post you can see from LK has hate in it. It was only hate from LK that meant all this happened.

As I have posted before the only way for LK to go forward from this is to stop hating. From now on she needs the mantra that if you have a choice, always choose to be kind.

Whether that is someone wearing a costume in Walmart, or someone who is dealing with the death of a child or someone who disagrees with her on SM. No more hate. No more insults. No more putting people down.

I see no other way and no I can’t see that happening.

so well said!

[erinmeri]

@SuzieQNutter

I would explain that Dressage is comparable to Ballet. MB is at the top of the game. Due to always napping and missing lessons LK is not dancing on her toes yet.

Hate only hurts those who hate. The only one who has hate is LK. Almost any post you can see from LK has hate in it. It was only hate from LK that meant all this happened.

As I have posted before the only way for LK to go forward from this is to stop hating. From now on she needs the mantra that if you have a choice, always choose to be kind.

Whether that is someone wearing a costume in Walmart, or someone who is dealing with the death of a child or someone who disagrees with her on SM. No more hate. No more insults. No more putting people down.

I see no other way and no I can’t see that happening.

This is such a great post, and point. For all the railing against the “pleasure of hate” supposedly on display here, I think the reason most follow or post along (aside from the general trainwreck) is because they are horrified by the hate on display coming from LK. Even when I was defending her (pre-trial) as a shooting victim/survivor, I know I was horrified.

People here can get petty and snarky, but I see very little hate or cruelty on display by anyone other than LK herself.

Very few people here have direct pre-shooting experiences with her… so mostly, we draw our opinions on her public behavior here and elsewhere. AND to my knowledge and recollection, other than her mother and the poster who “knew all”, nobody who does know her has jumped in here to defend her or say “hey ya’ll, she’s awesome and this isn’t fair” or, better yet, “she isn’t full of hate and here is why” citing evidence.

I find that curious. I had a friend who was on Survivor almost 20 years ago. She became ill and people on chat boards (this was pre-social media) tore her to shreds for being dramatic. I spent DAYS and MANY HOURS on those boards defending her - and they weren’t even saying things that were that awful, just that she was whiny or dramatic or it was a ploy, etc. I didn’t think it was fair or accurate, so I leapt in to defend. She wasn’t being “dramatic” or anything else… she’s just a genuinely kind and honest person whose (very athletic and well-prepared) body didn’t react well to the extreme conditions and deprivation the show demands.

Anyways, sorry to detail but this comment got me thinking…

ETA: DERAIL, not detail!

[erinmeri]

@Mersidoats

Struck a nerve is right. This comment was not part of the thread with LK’s lovely response, but it’s interesting. Maybe the reason for her lashing out at this stranger on the internet?

Good eye.

[smoofox]

@SuzieQNutter

I would explain that Dressage is comparable to Ballet. MB is at the top of the game. Due to always napping and missing lessons LK is not dancing on her toes yet.

That brings back memories. At one point my mom thought that her darling eldest daughter was lithe and graceful and must surely be a ballerina - so off to ballet school I went. The only problem was that I was not lithe. Or graceful. Or willowy and slim. Our family tree on both sides is comprised of sturdy Scandinavian stock. Solid and compact. Not ballerina material. And yet, I persevered. After our lesson was done, my fellow ballerina wannabes and I would hover around the more advanced girls - wishing we could wrap the blisters and stuff cotton between our toes and jam our feet into the beautiful pink toe shoes. So envious of the pain and dedication.

My natural grace and elegance led to the end of my ballet career - and I was much better at tap dancing, anyway! Yeah, that was my mom’s next idea…

[eggbutt]

Goodness, are you implying LK is guilty of finding pleasure in hate?

I’ve heard there was a time 5 - 10 years ago when she was quite pleasant, generous, kind to others & seemed relatively happy. It is obvious something happened years ago to cause her change and I’m not about to pursue thoughts on what that could have been. It is quite sad though.

[DownYonder]

@SuzieQNutter

As I have posted before the only way for LK to go forward from this is to stop hating. From now on she needs the mantra that if you have a choice, always choose to be kind.

Great post. I thought this was apropos.

[erinmeri]

@smoofox

The only problem was that I was not lithe. Or graceful. Or willowy and slim. Our family tree on both sides is comprised of sturdy Scandinavian stock. Solid and compact. Not ballerina material. And yet, I persevered. After our lesson was done, my fellow ballerina wannabes and I would hover around the more advanced girls - wishing we could wrap the blisters and stuff cotton between our toes and jam our feet into the beautiful pink toe shoes. So envious of the pain and dedication.

My natural grace and elegance led to the end of my ballet career - and I was much better at tap dancing, anyway! Yeah, that was my mom’s next idea…

I so relate to this - I am also not now, nor have I ever been, lithe or graceful. And I was terrible at ballet (even though I loved it, I quit).

Two points that I cannot relate to, are 1) solid and compact. I was tall and thin - but gawky, inflexible, and uncoordinated with zero grace. And 2) I was also an abject failure in tap. And gymnastics. And figure skating. I’m just not graceful, and I tried very hard to be!

(Also are Finns technically Scandinavian? I’m half Finn, although my height comes from the other side. All the “real” Finns in my family, save two, are short. One male cousin is maybe 5’9” and another was 6’ or so. And we have a BIG extended family. The only other tall folks from that side are me and my sister, at 5’10”+. I passed my mom up in height in the fourth grade. LOL.)

ETA: our moms followed the same progression (ballet to tap!)

[Warmblood1]

@Knights_Mom

Maybe Nick will come and testify on LKs behalf.

He can bring his draw reins and Nuno books.