MB update

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@ekat

So, I’m not going to retrace and link the path I went down on this, but you’re right. That language has specific intent. You have to go back through the comments from the NJ AG and some specific case law, etc…to get to the intent, but I had time to kill, so I did.

When the Victim’s Bill of Rights was introduced in NJ, that language was meant to create a space where victim’s of crimes were safe in reporting any harassment or intimidation against them. Specifically, that harassment, intimidation, etc. is supposed to be directly related to their participation in prosecuting the defendant, and has the intent to get the victim to recant, withdraw from cooperating, or otherwise hinder the prosecution.

Exactly.

So… to be specific, the language was intended to prevent victims of violent crimes, or witnesses to violent crimes, from dealing with stuff like getting bricks thrown through their windows, getting followed down the street by known criminal associates of the accused perpetrator, etc etc.

It wasn’t really intended to insulate wealthy 40 something year old adult amateur dressage riders from gossip amongst fellow equestrians? Which may or may not make it challenging for the dressage riders to find really fancy boarding and training accommodations for their horses?

[Knights_Mom]

Or maybe it’s a MAreFiA.

[Angela_Freda]

My understanding from posts here, time on the phone at AK is limited and therefore access is not reliable or when one gets a phone, overly long.

I’m going to go out on a limb here… If I was locked up in horrible conditions for over 2.5 years, and now was in a better facility with access to phones and very rare visits, I dayum sure wouldn’t waste that precious time on these parties.
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[ekat]

@Angela_Freda

I’m probably muddling this and confusing it with something else, but…

So, it was my understanding that a claim of harassment or whatnot, where the contact one has with these people is via a forum (chatroom, etc) you choose to participate in and can as easily leave/ignore… Means legally you don’t have a leg to stand on because you can simply leave the conversation or ignore them…

Yeah, even where you’re alleging cyberstalking, or cyber harassment, there has to be more than just responding to or quoting your own posts. There’s steps you have to take that start with blocking the alleged harasser. Continuing to engage kind of kills step 1.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

If you’re referring to what I’ve posted, I haven’t insinuated anything.

Here’s what I’ve flat out said. MB is in contact with his lawyers and close personal friends such as LO. I think I specifically said that I was not asserting that he was actively using that channel to orchestrate or request the bashing of LK on SM.

Ahhh. Sorry. I seem to have mixed up the logic behind your post and line of thinking with that of a YT comment that LK herself made on 07/16. The arguments you and she are making are quite similar… but SLIGHTLY different. I’m sorry if I keep on seeing a connection if there isn’t actually a connection… just a similar thread to the underlying thinking.

I’m pointing out that a lot of harassment and abuse of LK has occurred over the last three years, and it appears that he has not attempted to convey to his “supporters” via LO or anyone else that it is his desire that LK be permitted to get on with her life.

Do you think MB is aware of all the discussion happening on FB and COTH over the last 3 years? I bet he hasn’t been following any of it… because he’s been locked up this whole time… just a hunch.

I’m also pointing out the possibility that tearing down LK on SM may not be the best way to be supportive of MB.

Maybe people have just been talking about her social media posts and the case because she has a pretty specific style in her public comments… and it seems to inspire strong reactions by many folks. Maybe a lot of these people aren’t diehard MB supporters. Just a thought

My responses are in bold

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Angela_Freda

And he’d be in touch with them, how?
Mental telepathy?

There seems to be an insinuation that MB is in contact with his inner circle of family/very close friends/loved ones, and then these folks are in touch with other folks in the broader dressage community… and that is why there is persistent negative commentary on social media about certain parties involved in this case.

It seems they are insinuating that this is all a deliberate strategy to intimidate and harass a victim/witness.

It’s a big dressage oriented collusion/conspiracy… all focused on one particular adult amateur, who has been INCREDIBLY vocal herself on social media over the last 3 years.

This seems to be the line of thinking/argument.

They se to be discounting the POSSIBILITY that lots of people took notice of LKs own activities on social media… and developed a negative impression of her… and began discussing some of her more colorful and controversial public posts.

If you’re referring to what I’ve posted, I haven’t insinuated anything.

Here’s what I’ve flat out said. MB is in contact with his lawyers and close personal friends such as LO. I think I specifically said that I was not asserting that he was actively using that channel to orchestrate or request the bashing of LK on SM.

I’m pointing out that a lot of harassment and abuse of LK has occurred over the last three years, and it appears that he has not attempted to convey to his “supporters” via LO or anyone else that it is his desire that LK be permitted to get on with her life.

I’m also pointing out the possibility that tearing down LK on SM may not be the best way to be supportive of MB.

He is not Charles Manson. He’s been in jail. I’m willing to bet he could not give fig one what anyone’s social media comments or presence is.

If LK is having online issues perhaps she needs to chill her online presence and not start fighting with people constantly.

It’s LK who causes her own destiny.

MB is concerned I’m sure about himself as it should be. I hope he us released soon.

[BigMama1]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m pointing out that a lot of harassment and abuse of LK has occurred over the last three years,

Except it hasn’t. So maybe time to drop this nonsense so we can get back to the topic at hand, rather than getting yet another thread shut down over the same old tired arguments.

[Angela_Freda]

Kind of like a duty to retreat…

[eggbutt]

So, LO is showing and doing amazingly well in FL on all fronts; MHG recently remarried and seems quite happy (congratulations!); RC has been out of sight; most of the CoTH posters who contributed to older threads have been incredibly quiet with zero mention of any involved parties on any platform until today. But, but, but one other party has not only not stopped posting, editing and deleting but has significantly ramped up on other channels for some reason. So, let’s drop the blame game, okay?

[Knights_Mom]

Projection.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@Knights_Mom

He is not Charles Manson. He’s been in jail. I’m willing to bet he could not give fig one what anyone’s social media comments or presence is.

OMG.

You are onto something with this framing.

I think it’s less a matter of declaring that he’s the equivalent of Charles Manson though, and more an attempt to paint Eggbutt as Susan Atkins.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BigMama1

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m pointing out that a lot of harassment and abuse of LK has occurred over the last three years,

Except it hasn’t. So maybe time to drop this nonsense so we can get back to the topic at hand, rather than getting yet another thread shut down over the same old tired arguments.

My apologies, BigMama1. In my humble opinion, a lot of harassment and abuse of LK has occurred over the last three years. JMHO.

Now that we have learned that the hearing has been delayed, are there other updates on Barisone?

[eggbutt]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I think it’s less a matter of declaring that he’s the equivalent of Charles Manson though, and more an attempt to paint Eggbutt as Susan Atkins.

[Joanne]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m pointing out that a lot of harassment and abuse of LK has occurred over the last three years, and it appears that he has not attempted to convey to his “supporters” via LO or anyone else that it is his desire that LK be permitted to get on with her life.

Have you read the comments under the Law&Crime Network channel videos on YouTube? Do you believe all of the negative comments are friends of MB? or are simply people commenting on the performance they observed by LK and RG?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

There might be. We will have to wait and see.

Or there might be some more legal or procedural insight offered by one of multiple posters with relevant professional expertise regarding hearings like this for people who have been committed.

I think the thread should stay open so that people can continue this discussion, as things unfold in the lead up to the hearing. Don’t you?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Joanne

@CurrentlyHorseless

I’m pointing out that a lot of harassment and abuse of LK has occurred over the last three years, and it appears that he has not attempted to convey to his “supporters” via LO or anyone else that it is his desire that LK be permitted to get on with her life.

Have you read the comments under the Law&Crime Network channel videos on YouTube? Do you believe all of the negative comments are friends of MB? or are simply people commenting on the performance they observed by LK and RG?

No, I am not following the comments on YouTube.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

I’m glad you laughed at that. I debated whether it was really ok to go there or not… but I couldn’t resist

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

There might be. We will have to wait and see.

Or there might be some more legal or procedural insight offered by one of multiple posters with relevant professional expertise regarding hearings like this for people who have been committed.

I think the thread should stay open so that people can continue this discussion, as things unfold in the lead up to the hearing. Don’t you?

I do agree. I value the legal and procedural insight provided by Ekat and others.

I think that dragging LK into the discussion by posting or discussing what she is posting on other platforms is what is likely to get the thread shut down.

[ThreeWishes]

Jaminey Christmas. Please just ignore. It’s the same old bs. That will lead to a thread lock. When y’all just want to discuss updates. Have some self control. The case is settled. Discuss the future. Is the bait that delicious? Shaking my head.seriously… do you know what a Provocateur wants ? It’s to be discussed. Good or bad. Just keep my name in your mouth. So they poke. And prod. No matter what justification derails their intent. Just stop. And discuss the man in custody awaiting his future.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

So. Tangential line of discussion.

Is it possible that pushing the Krol hearing back to the end of August will impact the timeline with respect to discovery and depositions in the civil case?

I can’t remember, but I thought there was an August date for something related to the discovery process in the civil litigation as well…